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ephemerella
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29 Nov 2008, 1:11 pm

Dark_Red_Beloved wrote:
Let's consider the source:

The entire link is

http://www.autismwebsite.com/crimetimes/05c/w05cp13.htm

but if you delete everything after the .com...

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ <--click here

Well,

I'll let you draw your own conclusion...

:wink:


Good catch. The are pushing treatment & so demonize autistics to motivate people to their "cure".



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29 Nov 2008, 1:34 pm

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Heath Ledger's joker?

He has some aspieish traits...

but somehow I don't think so. The reason why I don't think so is because while the joker clearly had no qualms about harming people(lack of compassion), he seemed uncommonly good at manipulating other people--and did so intuitively (empathy/social savy)Somehow seeing the Joker as an aspie doesn't add up--but then, that's just me.


Aspiesh traits like not being able to put eyeliner on at all cause of an inability to keep one's hand still? Okay, maybe not all Aspies are bad at eyeliner application, but I sure am. It's one of the main reasons I quit wearing the Goth makeup.



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01 Dec 2008, 5:58 am

Eggman wrote:
kittenmeow wrote:
Eggman wrote:
and we have thae smae with nts....so does that mean nts should be kileed off then?


yeah it is true. We have all of these rapists who are NT but that is never flaunted in the media, killers because someone isn't trendy enough, bullies but not a peep about what kind of trendy stores they shop at and trendy music they listen to.

Obviously a common theme to pick on non-conformists and leave those that are conformists out. Conformists need to come out and demand that they be included!


gads im surprised you were able to read that. Sorry


I can read that. I can read this too.

"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are in; the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."



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01 Dec 2008, 8:43 am

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I am really sick of this. These people do not represent the rest of the AS community.

Now you know how black people feel



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01 Dec 2008, 8:44 am

I can't be charming?



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02 Dec 2008, 1:48 pm

8O Scary thoughts people have, the evidence seems very dodgy really.

Worrying how many people think things like that in real life though. Once met a person who asked if I was worried about the 'fact' that most male people with AS would grow up to be rapiests as they didn't empathese with other people.

Personally being AS myself, empathy isn't a problem, i've always been confused about both what I feel and what others feel but I know for a fact that when it clicks I get empathy by the bucket loads, and feel absoluntly terrible if I even think that I might have hurt someones feelings.

In fact my AS means i'm naturally terrible at deception. I have never unerstood why people hurt other people and my morals are very strongly ingrained. If anyone gets hurt I have a natural reaction to help, even when I have no idea how.

:roll: potential serial killer I am not, and I highly doubt most serial killers have AS.



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04 Dec 2008, 7:53 am

MartyMoose wrote:
preludeman wrote:
I am really sick of this. These people do not represent the rest of the AS community.

Now you know how black people feel


When people say this sentence it comes across as meanspirited.



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14 Dec 2008, 10:16 pm

I dont know if anybody said this but these killer were psychopaths with possible aspergers. I mean it has to be taken seriously because yes i can understand that psychopathy with aspergers could lead to big problems, but its psychopathy that is the major dangerous condition.



unless anybody know if psychopathy is higher in aspergers, then why is this an issue ?



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14 Dec 2008, 10:51 pm

when I was a teen I seriously thought of killing my mum and stepdad. I remember making a phone call when I was 15. I wanted a person dead but I didnt want to take away someone's father. If it had of been ok with this person. I would have killed. There is no doubt. As an adult I went through a stage were I was so angry. More than Ive ever been. I wanted to kill some one.
It could have come to that especailly given how confused I was.
This person would not have deserved at all so does that make me a psychopath? I have had many assessment. I have had my medical and criminal history examined by a forsenic psych and I havnt been labelled with any psychopathic disorder.
There was this woman in prison I got along well with. I found out that she had fantasy's about torturing people too. We both just laughed.
because its just expression of your anger or hurt in some way.
I dont feel or think about hurting no one now cause I am not hurting no more. I know a woman in prison who had the psychopath type behaviour. She said, "I have to stop fighting or I am scared I am going to kill someone" because when she went off
she really did and she couldnt stop. So too some other women very violent assaults were they could have killed them. The woman that was sadistic thinking like I me. She wasnt autistic. I have autism. None of the other women in prison did but I could relate to them. I understood exactly how they felt. So does that make us all psychopaths. Some of them was caring mothers and when you got to know them they was the most beautiful people.



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14 Dec 2008, 11:15 pm

well yeah a lot of possible killers could be AS or have traits-as the hell that usually comes with having it
not a nice thing
I hate being alone with my thoughts lol
they aren't sadistic, just annoying



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14 Dec 2008, 11:20 pm

No, the women I am talking about was the most respected and popular. They had outgoing personalities. They showed no AS traits at all.



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14 Dec 2008, 11:23 pm

well I know that not all of them are
thats dumb to assume lol
and I didn't imply that ;)



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15 Dec 2008, 3:19 am

Well then why are people picking on Aspies for. Maybe I could of chose to become a aspie psychopath but i didnt and why because I wanted to the right thing. To be a respecting person if not to a other person atleast to myself. Alot of people can have psychopath tendencies. We all do at some stage in our life. The difference between people is that some people Choose to do the wrong thing and others Choose to the right. It doesnt matter wether your AS or not. There is good people with AS and there is assholes with AS. The same goes for NT's. Having autism doesnt make you more psycho, that if you got the tendency you garna act on it because your mind already so impaired. Thats BS
Everyone has a choice and if there is more AS sociopaths than NT it simply because theyd using an excuse because their is something wrong with them they cant help it or shouldnt have to take on as much responsability for thier actions. They are playing victim. It's an attitude and again that comes down to choice.
Everyone knows right from wrong.



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15 Dec 2008, 11:56 am

Samara wrote:
Well then why are people picking on Aspies for. Maybe I could of chose to become a aspie psychopath but i didnt and why because I wanted to the right thing. To be a respecting person if not to a other person atleast to myself. Alot of people can have psychopath tendencies. We all do at some stage in our life. The difference between people is that some people Choose to do the wrong thing and others Choose to the right. It doesnt matter wether your AS or not. There is good people with AS and there is assholes with AS. The same goes for NT's. Having autism doesnt make you more psycho, that if you got the tendency you garna act on it because your mind already so impaired. Thats BS
Everyone has a choice and if there is more AS sociopaths than NT it simply because theyd using an excuse because their is something wrong with them they cant help it or shouldnt have to take on as much responsability for thier actions. They are playing victim. It's an attitude and again that comes down to choice.
Everyone knows right from wrong.


thats where the debate come ins. The neuroscience says that psycopaths have a deficit which makes them unable to learn right and wrong at an emotional level. I havent seen any evidence which says aspies=sociopath, just that there is a crossover point where some aspies manifest as sociopath, and when it does go wrong these killers are more out there than other serial killers.

Society reacts emotionally to things it cannot understand, hence there does not seem much logic here to put things into context. statistical questions like are psychopathic crimes higher in aspies is really whats important.

I doubt it, sociopaths take pleasure from beating other humans at their own game.They enjoying being able to take things further and further without any natural instincts to stop them. The idea of going to jail doesnt really bother them at an emotional level. They live from social game moment to social game moment, and are so at ease with getting one over everybody else, that the idea of a socially confined environment like jail isnt the deterrent it would be for an aspies.

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15 Dec 2008, 5:27 pm

the darkk side of nts....
witch hunts
macarthism
gatama bay