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CosTransform
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08 Feb 2012, 12:29 pm

I mean concentrate on making the current environment nice.



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08 Feb 2012, 12:31 pm

Well yes that helps, but then there is the question of how many options the depressed individual has when it comes to making the current environment positive.


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08 Feb 2012, 12:38 pm

Then the lack of options is the problem. Not that it's easy.



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08 Feb 2012, 12:48 pm

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the same problem of shyness, reclusiveness and keeping to oneself


I have low self esteem too. As i said before, if you're battling with feeling good in your own skin, then others behaviour tends to affect you more, and mostly in a negative way. So the key is to feel good about yourself, and then it's much easier to toss aside others behaviour.



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08 Feb 2012, 1:05 pm

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the key is to feel good about yourself,


If I would be rich like Rockefeller. Then things would be easier too.. ;)

The thing is to find environments, activities and people that makes you feel good. As well as dealing with the thought pattern "why do I feel like this?".



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08 Feb 2012, 5:20 pm

CosTransform wrote:
Better solve the reasons for the depression than the symptoms.



Sometimes the reasons are organic. Clinical depression cannot be solved by changing the environment. It's caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain and must be treated medically. Situational depression can be treated by changing the environment or therapy only.

When your brain chemicals are way out of balance, then no amount of therapy or environmental changes will do you any good. Clinical depression is not the same as feeling down, or sad, or just not giving a crap about things. While you may feel some of the same emotions as someone with situational depression, the root cause of it is different. By taking antidepressants when I go into a depressive state, I am solving the reasons for the depression, as is anyone else who does the same.


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08 Feb 2012, 5:53 pm

If that's the case then it's a another matter. It's just that many doctors have a tendency to go straight for the pills when the truth is that the health care don't want to spend money on psychotherapy which costs nor fixing elementary life situations.



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09 Feb 2012, 7:42 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
CosTransform wrote:

Sometimes that can be impossible......I know that for a fact, I mean there is no way for anyone to go into my brain and erase all the social and environmental factors that contributed to my depression. That would require going back in time and making it so people did not start picking on me at an early age, making my parents relationship work out and preventing the nightly arguing from occurring ect. What's done is done....but that is just my perspective on the impossibility of solving the reasons for depression.

My issue cannot be solved with medicines..

its due to genes and also due to seeing excessive voilence as a child
being avoided by peers, by relatives, taunted and bullied
also due to present situation of being unable to socialise and make close confidant.


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09 Feb 2012, 7:45 am

CosTransform wrote:
i_wanna_blue wrote:
the key is to feel good about yourself,


If I would be rich like Rockefeller. Then things would be easier too.. ;)

The thing is to find environments, activities and people that makes you feel good. As well as dealing with the thought pattern "why do I feel like this?".


well money cannot buy happiness........what happens when you have lot of money, luxury car but no friends, no family, no relatives.......how do you enjoy all that money alone.


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19 Feb 2012, 2:07 pm

namaste wrote:
CosTransform wrote:
i_wanna_blue wrote:
the key is to feel good about yourself,


If I would be rich like Rockefeller. Then things would be easier too.. ;)

The thing is to find environments, activities and people that makes you feel good. As well as dealing with the thought pattern "why do I feel like this?".


well money cannot buy happiness........what happens when you have lot of money, luxury car but no friends, no family, no relatives.......how do you enjoy all that money alone.


You give me the money and feel a sense of fulfilment at putting a big smile on my face. :wink:


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19 Feb 2012, 2:46 pm

@Namaste...

I don't know how you feel about Rudyard Kipling, but he wrote a poem that you may find inspirational (except for the very last line).

If

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream–and not make dreams your master,
If you can think–and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ‘em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings–nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And–which is more–you’ll be a Man, my son!


–Rudyard Kipling



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20 Feb 2012, 1:48 am

Fnord wrote:
@Namaste...

I don't know how you feel about Rudyard Kipling, but he wrote a poem that you may find inspirational (except for the very last line).

If

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream–and not make dreams your master,
If you can think–and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ‘em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings–nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And–which is more–you’ll be a Man, my son!


–Rudyard Kipling


This is a lovely poem with deep meaning
Hard to put into practice but when done can bring in great harvest


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20 Feb 2012, 9:18 pm

namaste wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
CosTransform wrote:

Sometimes that can be impossible......I know that for a fact, I mean there is no way for anyone to go into my brain and erase all the social and environmental factors that contributed to my depression. That would require going back in time and making it so people did not start picking on me at an early age, making my parents relationship work out and preventing the nightly arguing from occurring ect. What's done is done....but that is just my perspective on the impossibility of solving the reasons for depression.

My issue cannot be solved with medicines..

its due to genes and also due to seeing excessive voilence as a child
being avoided by peers, by relatives, taunted and bullied
also due to present situation of being unable to socialise and make close confidant.


Oh I was not implying they could......I've got genetic, environmental and social factors contributing to a lot of issues I have as well as do most people with psychological issues. All medicines can really do is help reduce symptoms but they won't fix your problems or anyone elses for that matter. So you are right medicines cannot solve your issues.


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01 Mar 2012, 5:01 am

From what you have said, you have learned to be shy and withdrawn because of your past and current relationships. This may have been a way to protect yourself. Don't be hard on yourself, because you are like this for a good reason.

It will probably take some time and practice to learn how to interact with positive people.

You might need to see a good therapist to teach you how to communicate without withdrawing. After a while she/he might introduce another person into the therapy so that the two of you can learn to interact with his/her guidance. Slowly you will learn to apply your new skills, and build up to real life situations.

Never never never give up!



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01 Mar 2012, 7:05 am

Sarah81 wrote:
From what you have said, you have learned to be shy and withdrawn because of your past and current relationships. This may have been a way to protect yourself. Don't be hard on yourself, because you are like this for a good reason.

It will probably take some time and practice to learn how to interact with positive people.

You might need to see a good therapist to teach you how to communicate without withdrawing. After a while she/he might introduce another person into the therapy so that the two of you can learn to interact with his/her guidance. Slowly you will learn to apply your new skills, and build up to real life situations.

Never never never give up!

have you tried this technique of being introduced into theraphy with some other person and have that lead to friendship and helped you grow in some way


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