Is it ever okay to look at a women's breasts?

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from what you said, it seems like maybe you are angry and/or bitter, and maybe that may is because of the rejection you have experienced. but taking it out on women won't get you anywhere. if you start to resent all women for what some women did in the past, you will always have problems with making a connection. honestly, you are coming across like a woman-hater, and that is not a recipe for success.

respecting and loving women has nothing to do with being aspie.

Craig28 is NOT a women hater. He has legitimate frustrations that he wants to vent. You can't just focus on one easy target as a scapegoat for all the woes of men.

Hugh Hefner loves and respects women? That is debatable, you don't know Hugh Hefner beyond what you have seen on TV. Some would argue that thinking of oneself as a connoisseur of women in the same way one is a connoisseur of wine could be demeaning. Some would even argue that a man who really loved women wouldn't be afraid to be around women of the same age and social status. The few episodes I have seen of his television show portrayed women who weren't exactly geniuses. A love of bimbos does not equal to a love of women. Likewise you don't know craig28 beyond a few angry posts.

Your unconscious logic is that if you have lots of women therefor you respect them. If you don't have lots of women then you don't. This might justify your attraction to powerful men. But how would you feel if you lived in a world where people thought like that? You don't need to put craig28 down simply because he is working through his feelings. Yes some of those feelings aren't mature but who can really say that they don't have some part of themselves they need to change.

Yeha I don't know the Heff, I more meant he speaks to women with love and respect really. I should have been more clear about that. But in general, he loves women.

Oh, so hating women on the internet is okay because its "venting". In my opinion all the internet does is allow people to show their true colours that they're too scared to show in real life.

For me, obviously, it would be an extreme distate to woman haters, for him, it's resenting women.

As a social outcast Craig28 has probably put up with a lot more spitefulness from the opposite sex than you are willing to admit occurs in this society. When people are treated disrespectfully they tend to get upset. He is not a women hater. That is a very strong word that you are using. On what basis are you calling him a woman hater?

Whatever you want to call it, there are a lot of people here that make monumental screwups in the relationship arena, which is pretty normal for ASD guys, but the problem that keeps them stuck is a failure to live and learn, recognize they have shortcomings in their relationship skills, and work on it. When they were little they might have had a meltdown when they were told they couldn't have cookies. Some of the behavior people here show when a girl rejects them or they aren't getting laid isn't a whole lot different than when they were little, only the aberrant behavior is less intense but much more drawn out.

In case anyone is wondering, I've had horrible luck in dating myself. You won't catch me coming on here and throwing a fit about how mean and shallow the girls were for rejecting me. As much as I want a relationship, I know that if I got into one now it would go down in flames in a hurry no matter how compatible we are, and rather than being bitter about it I am working on self-improvement. I suggest other guys in my situation do the same.

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His posts reek of bitterness and resentment. Going as far as to say something like Women can get out of a test because they've got their period? That's going very deeply into resenting women. Its going beyond just resenting them because they rejected him.

I've screwed it up with every single guy i've ever been interested in. We have a lot more trouble than people think.

lol drama

no, those are not legitimate frustrations.

anyway, how do YOU know whether he is a woman hater or not? i am telling him how he appears to me, and if you disagree with it, fine. but you wouldn't know any better than i do.

he is not a scapegoat - he is a man who disrespects women on the forums, like you. i appreciate men who respect women here, and you two do not.

thanks for this. i have had to work on myself too - including therapy, in order to make relationships work. i could have been angry and bitter towards the opposite sex due to both past and recent experiences (like rape and sexual harassment), but i am not. most of my friends are guys, i've been married for 16 years (together for 20). IRL i prefer men, as long as they respect women.

I have not disrespected any women on this forum. I have disagreed with your opinions but that doesn't mean I didn't treat you with respect.

I just imagined all of you in the same room - arguing.
That would not be fun to sit through. Not at all.

There are people who really piss me off.
People who hate women/men are part of this group of people. People who contribute nothing but a veritable barrage of ad hominem blithering in place of meaningful discussion also really piss me off.

Let's start over, shall we? Clean slates for everyone. ^_^

That would mean some people would go back to behaving like cavemen, some people would get pissed off about it, and we would all be right back where we are now.