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04 Jan 2011, 2:27 pm

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You seem to be missing the point that someone is still a stranger until you meet them in person.


I disagree with this. I've had many friends on the internet, much closer than a lot of the "friends" I've had IRL. They often know me much better than RL people as well.


Having a completely on-line friendship with someone is something different from what I was referring. I meant that in the context of on-line dating, you don't really know someone until you meet them in person because that's when the relationship starts. It's more like a blind date in a way. I think Hyperlexian assumes that internet dating means that we all have deep on-line relationships before meeting in person. However, I think a dating site is just a mechanism for organizing to meet a new person in new person in real life.


This. Conceivably it can be used to form online relationships, but that is not the focus, and I would hazard a guess that most people are using it to create initial, superficial connections with the intention/hope of turning them into deeper 'real life' relationships.


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04 Jan 2011, 3:55 pm

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I think if there's a disagreement that is gender biased, it reveals something interesting about the different ways men and women approach dating (or have to).

it seems to be that round these parts, men struggle more with dating and dating sites. Women here (from what I've seen) don't seem to have such problems getting into the initial stages of dating if they really want to.

It's an issue that's piqued me becuase I struggle and I don't need a weird label hanging over things to make it worse. I'm already weird enough without it.

Someone who's gotten to know and like you can be more forgiving of an unknown thing. A stranger perusing a site where there's two similar guys, one with a syndrome tag, and the other without, it's just natural to skip over the one with the tag. A dating site profile is like an advert, it's supposed to be glossy.

I think hyperlexian, that you assume that people are going to be engaging in deep online relationships before they even think about meeting, and I don't think that's usually what happens. It might, but I've found that people generally want to progress things into 'real life' quite quickly, or they lose interest.

I know you said you don't want to talk about it, but I obviously feel like I need another word on it.

This is amusing, just appeared on the front page. Kinda synchronistic. http://www.wrongplanet.net/article399.html

no, i'm done. in fact, i'm done with WP. i am so sick of hearing how much easier women have it than men. this is my last comment on my last thread. i'll still check my PMs for a while, because i want to make sure people can contact me offsite. but as for threads, enough is enough.

YES it is easier for women to get a random f**k. YES it is easier for women to get shallow men to approach them online if they are reasonably good-looking. but so what? the result rates of successful relationships are the same for men and women - because the successful people are dating each other.

and if there are more men than women signed up on dating sites, then of course the competition amongst men will be steep. that doesn't mean it is easy for women to establish the relationships that they desire.

there are more aspie men than women in existence - 5 to 10 times as many. that means probably 5 to 10 times as many on WP, and 5 to 10 times as many complaining about being single. that does not equal more difficulty for men.

EDIT: took out the part about Moog, cuz it isn't his fault that the boards can be a bit of a cesspool at times. i just care about his opinion a lot (and we are still speaking of course. i have tons of respect for him, just couldn't handle a harsh disagreement from someone i care about). i really can't do the forum thing anymore. this was an experiment for me. some people are suited to it, others are not.



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04 Jan 2011, 3:56 pm

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By the, I seem to have run out of questions to ask the girl I was chatting with. Does anyone know what the best way is to ask her if she would like to meet? I think I would like to do that.

Make sure you are ready to meet her first because you dont seem too sure and Ill go with something like would you like to grab a coffee sometime?.

Women usually dont like palying games but maybe thats too straightforward.


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04 Jan 2011, 4:05 pm

hyperlexian you are quitting wp?

I haven't been here long (well actually I've been here since 2007 but only came back recently I mean) but I like your posts. You seem interesting to me and I think it would definitly be a great shame to see you leave. I understand a lot of the women on here probably find it frustrating with so many of the guys posting this same s**t all the time, but if you all leave, what will the rest of us do? Some guys might be happy to sit around feeling bitter and whining, but the rest of us don't. We'll be lost if all the women start abandoning us because of some idiots :P

Seriously, i think you are cool, from the time I have spent here. And I think you should stick around

I hope you read this (and any other similar posts others with no doubt make). I would pm it to you but I don't feel I know most people well enough here to pm them yet



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04 Jan 2011, 4:19 pm

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hyperlexian you are quitting wp?

I haven't been here long (well actually I've been here since 2007 but only came back recently I mean) but I like your posts. You seem interesting to me and I think it would definitly be a great shame to see you leave. I understand a lot of the women on here probably find it frustrating with so many of the guys posting this same sh** all the time, but if you all leave, what will the rest of us do? Some guys might be happy to sit around feeling bitter and whining, but the rest of us don't. We'll be lost if all the women start abandoning us because of some idiots :P

Seriously, i think you are cool, from the time I have spent here. And I think you should stick around

I hope you read this (and any other similar posts others with no doubt make). I would pm it to you but I don't feel I know most people well enough here to pm them yet

I just sent her a pm with similar thoughts as well. Im almost certain it eould be a shame to see hyperlexian leave and some male members that shant be mentioned stay but if she decides to leave theres nothing we can do to stop her.

There are also some males that try to help but they dont do it very often and taking into account how some male menbers react when you are trying to help them I understand their attitude.


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04 Jan 2011, 5:12 pm

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no, i'm done. in fact, i'm done with WP. i am so sick of hearing how much easier women have it than men. this is my last comment on my last thread. i'll still check my PMs for a while, because i want to make sure people can contact me offsite. but as for threads, enough is enough.

YES it is easier for women to get a random f**k. YES it is easier for women to get shallow men to approach them online if they are reasonably good-looking. but so what? the result rates of successful relationships are the same for men and women - because the successful people are dating each other.

and if there are more men than women signed up on dating sites, then of course the competition amongst men will be steep. that doesn't mean it is easy for women to establish the relationships that they desire.

there are more aspie men than women in existence - 5 to 10 times as many. that means probably 5 to 10 times as many on WP, and 5 to 10 times as many complaining about being single. that does not equal more difficulty for men.

and finally... et tu, Moog? you cannot gauge an entire population's (or gender's) problems by your own difficulties. it's like a knife in my gut to see you saying the same thing as so many other guys on here.


I'm not saying it's easier for women to have relationships. I don't think that. I think that male and female aspies face different problems at different stages of relationships. I don't think one sex has it any easier overall, but in some areas yes, I do think there are differences.

I'm basically saying the same thing you are. I'm saying men find it harder to make that initial connection. Yeah, I do think that women can get a f**k (as you put it) easier, because they don't usually have to try so hard to make the initial hook up. You seem to agree with that. I agree with it. So why do you seek to make the first hurdle higher for us, when that's the one we struggle with so badly? Aspie guys don't seem to easily fall into relationships like women do. I understand that then there are further problems that may come after that; possibly being used for sex, abuses, or not being able to create long term relationships, things like that. And that's where I see things (unfortunately) 'evening' out.

I didn't even want to make this into another bloody male/female thing. I usually stay well out of them. And I can totally see that some woman do have exactly the same problem in this regard.

I'm not saying I know anything about gauging an entire anything of anything. I'm making intuitions. If someone wants to challenge them, I'm totally up for that. I tend to pick my language carefully. I am usually very careful to preface my thoughts with I think, I guess, I believe, generally, usually... etc. Because I know I'm not working from statistics, or science. I'm working from a body of information that I've collected through personal observation.


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04 Jan 2011, 7:03 pm

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Im almost certain it eould be a shame to see hyperlexian leave and some male members that shant be mentioned stay but if she decides to leave theres nothing we can do to stop her.

There are also some males that try to help but they dont do it very often and taking into account how some male menbers react when you are trying to help them I understand their attitude.

It's just that aspie men - me included b***h and whine about our problems with women. IMO, it's OUR problem, not an issue with females. If we can get out of our comfort zones, get off the computer, stop playing WoW/Starcraft/Magic, and meet people, I'm sure there is someone who can accept us out there.

There's too much bitching and whining here, especially from a few here which I won't name names, but it's stuff that they're in control with.



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05 Jan 2011, 1:58 am

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Im almost certain it eould be a shame to see hyperlexian leave and some male members that shant be mentioned stay but if she decides to leave theres nothing we can do to stop her.

There are also some males that try to help but they dont do it very often and taking into account how some male menbers react when you are trying to help them I understand their attitude.

It's just that aspie men - me included b***h and whine about our problems with women. IMO, it's OUR problem, not an issue with females. If we can get out of our comfort zones, get off the computer, stop playing WoW/Starcraft/Magic, and meet people, I'm sure there is someone who can accept us out there.

There's too much bitching and whining here, especially from a few here which I won't name names, but it's stuff that they're in control with.

I didnt state that it wasnt our problem. Lately Ive been trying to do that, I still have a low self steem so Im usually to afraid of rejection to talk to most girls I would be interested in.

Ive found someone who accepts me and she tries to help me whenever possible, the thing is she is taken and there are some issues that I just cant talk with her.

I guess I just need to keep trying as hard as I can until I strike some luck.


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05 Jan 2011, 7:23 am

spongy wrote:
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hyperlexian you are quitting wp?

I haven't been here long (well actually I've been here since 2007 but only came back recently I mean) but I like your posts. You seem interesting to me and I think it would definitly be a great shame to see you leave. I understand a lot of the women on here probably find it frustrating with so many of the guys posting this same sh** all the time, but if you all leave, what will the rest of us do? Some guys might be happy to sit around feeling bitter and whining, but the rest of us don't. We'll be lost if all the women start abandoning us because of some idiots :P

Seriously, i think you are cool, from the time I have spent here. And I think you should stick around

I hope you read this (and any other similar posts others with no doubt make). I would pm it to you but I don't feel I know most people well enough here to pm them yet

I just sent her a pm with similar thoughts as well. Im almost certain it eould be a shame to see hyperlexian leave and some male members that shant be mentioned stay but if she decides to leave theres nothing we can do to stop her.

There are also some males that try to help but they dont do it very often and taking into account how some male menbers react when you are trying to help them I understand their attitude.


I sent her a PM as well. Yes, some other male members whine a lot on here but neither me nor Moog have ever really said that aspie women have it easier than aspie men in relationships. What I might of said once, was that aspie men could have a more difficult time with the initial contact but that's not the same as saying that women have it easier.



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05 Jan 2011, 7:27 am

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Jono wrote:
By the, I seem to have run out of questions to ask the girl I was chatting with. Does anyone know what the best way is to ask her if she would like to meet? I think I would like to do that.

Make sure you are ready to meet her first because you dont seem too sure and Ill go with something like would you like to grab a coffee sometime?.

Women usually dont like palying games but maybe thats too straightforward.


It's just that I don't know whether or not it's too early to ask her. I've only been communicating with her for a few days. I've also asked her all the questions about her profile that I can think of, I don't want to mess this up.



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05 Jan 2011, 8:07 am

Jono wrote:
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Jono wrote:
By the, I seem to have run out of questions to ask the girl I was chatting with. Does anyone know what the best way is to ask her if she would like to meet? I think I would like to do that.

Make sure you are ready to meet her first because you dont seem too sure and Ill go with something like would you like to grab a coffee sometime?.

Women usually dont like palying games but maybe thats too straightforward.


It's just that I don't know whether or not it's too early to ask her. I've only been communicating with her for a few days. I've also asked her all the questions about her profile that I can think of, I don't want to mess this up.

I think that you should at least mention a possible meeting sometime soon.

She is expecting to meet you at some point and if you expend to much time emailing back and forth she is going to start thinking that theres a reason why you havent asked her out yet and once that gets into her head theres almost no chance of making a good impression because she will be looking for your flaws and most of the times they are able to find plenty of reasons why they shouldnt give you a chance.

Plus its very likely that you are running out of things to ask her and sometime soon and Im pretty sure you should at least save some information for the date otherwise you will have nothing to talk about.


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05 Jan 2011, 12:31 pm

spongy wrote:
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spongy wrote:
Jono wrote:
By the, I seem to have run out of questions to ask the girl I was chatting with. Does anyone know what the best way is to ask her if she would like to meet? I think I would like to do that.

Make sure you are ready to meet her first because you dont seem too sure and Ill go with something like would you like to grab a coffee sometime?.

Women usually dont like palying games but maybe thats too straightforward.


It's just that I don't know whether or not it's too early to ask her. I've only been communicating with her for a few days. I've also asked her all the questions about her profile that I can think of, I don't want to mess this up.

I think that you should at least mention a possible meeting sometime soon.

She is expecting to meet you at some point and if you expend to much time emailing back and forth she is going to start thinking that theres a reason why you havent asked her out yet and once that gets into her head theres almost no chance of making a good impression because she will be looking for your flaws and most of the times they are able to find plenty of reasons why they shouldnt give you a chance.

Plus its very likely that you are running out of things to ask her and sometime soon and Im pretty sure you should at least save some information for the date otherwise you will have nothing to talk about.


Ok thanks. I'll ask her.



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05 Jan 2011, 3:39 pm

spongy wrote:
Jono wrote:
spongy wrote:
Jono wrote:
By the, I seem to have run out of questions to ask the girl I was chatting with. Does anyone know what the best way is to ask her if she would like to meet? I think I would like to do that.

Make sure you are ready to meet her first because you dont seem too sure and Ill go with something like would you like to grab a coffee sometime?.

Women usually dont like palying games but maybe thats too straightforward.


It's just that I don't know whether or not it's too early to ask her. I've only been communicating with her for a few days. I've also asked her all the questions about her profile that I can think of, I don't want to mess this up.

I think that you should at least mention a possible meeting sometime soon.

She is expecting to meet you at some point and if you expend to much time emailing back and forth she is going to start thinking that theres a reason why you havent asked her out yet and once that gets into her head theres almost no chance of making a good impression because she will be looking for your flaws and most of the times they are able to find plenty of reasons why they shouldnt give you a chance.

Plus its very likely that you are running out of things to ask her and sometime soon and Im pretty sure you should at least save some information for the date otherwise you will have nothing to talk about.


Oh no. My concern turned out to be right. She said that it seemed too fast. It looks like this is another one I've screwed up.

EDIT: I told her that there wasn't any rush. I don't know what good that will do though. She's likely to only see it tomorrow.



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05 Jan 2011, 7:02 pm

Jono wrote:
spongy wrote:
Jono wrote:
spongy wrote:
Jono wrote:
By the, I seem to have run out of questions to ask the girl I was chatting with. Does anyone know what the best way is to ask her if she would like to meet? I think I would like to do that.

Make sure you are ready to meet her first because you dont seem too sure and Ill go with something like would you like to grab a coffee sometime?.

Women usually dont like palying games but maybe thats too straightforward.


It's just that I don't know whether or not it's too early to ask her. I've only been communicating with her for a few days. I've also asked her all the questions about her profile that I can think of, I don't want to mess this up.

I think that you should at least mention a possible meeting sometime soon.

She is expecting to meet you at some point and if you expend to much time emailing back and forth she is going to start thinking that theres a reason why you havent asked her out yet and once that gets into her head theres almost no chance of making a good impression because she will be looking for your flaws and most of the times they are able to find plenty of reasons why they shouldnt give you a chance.

Plus its very likely that you are running out of things to ask her and sometime soon and Im pretty sure you should at least save some information for the date otherwise you will have nothing to talk about.


Oh no. My concern turned out to be right. She said that it seemed too fast. It looks like this is another one I've screwed up.

EDIT: I told her that there wasn't any rush. I don't know what good that will do though. She's likely to only see it tomorrow.


Not necessarily a disaster. At least she knows you are keen. Good luck.


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06 Jan 2011, 1:25 pm

Moog wrote:
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spongy wrote:
Jono wrote:
spongy wrote:
Jono wrote:
By the, I seem to have run out of questions to ask the girl I was chatting with. Does anyone know what the best way is to ask her if she would like to meet? I think I would like to do that.

Make sure you are ready to meet her first because you dont seem too sure and Ill go with something like would you like to grab a coffee sometime?.

Women usually dont like palying games but maybe thats too straightforward.


It's just that I don't know whether or not it's too early to ask her. I've only been communicating with her for a few days. I've also asked her all the questions about her profile that I can think of, I don't want to mess this up.

I think that you should at least mention a possible meeting sometime soon.

She is expecting to meet you at some point and if you expend to much time emailing back and forth she is going to start thinking that theres a reason why you havent asked her out yet and once that gets into her head theres almost no chance of making a good impression because she will be looking for your flaws and most of the times they are able to find plenty of reasons why they shouldnt give you a chance.

Plus its very likely that you are running out of things to ask her and sometime soon and Im pretty sure you should at least save some information for the date otherwise you will have nothing to talk about.


Oh no. My concern turned out to be right. She said that it seemed too fast. It looks like this is another one I've screwed up.

EDIT: I told her that there wasn't any rush. I don't know what good that will do though. She's likely to only see it tomorrow.


Not necessarily a disaster. At least she knows you are keen. Good luck.


Thanks. Well, she replied to my last message, saying that she feels a bit better and also that she gets nervous about meeting new people. It looks like it's going to take a while before she's comfortable meeting me. Nonetheless, she still seems interested.