How to deal with unwanted attention?

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29 Nov 2012, 10:21 am

OMG, J-Greens. Why the f.....why would you say something like that? *facepalm* Now you just painted all men in a bad light. :?


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29 Nov 2012, 10:51 am

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OMG, J-Greens. Why the f.....why would you say something like that? *facepalm* Now you just painted all men in a bad light. :?


I can only speak for myself, I know he doesn't speak for all men. I think most women here, if not all, know he doesn't speak for all men.

Still, he's being a jerk.


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29 Nov 2012, 11:21 am

In my opinion some women love male attention and they give mixed messages to men of this sort:-

"Look how sexually attractive I am everybody!'
'How Dare you look at me like that, pervert!'

...which obviously confuses the hell out of the average man!

I've noticed that the type of woman who says she regularly gets harassed by men is
a) pretty/sexually attractive
b) exceedingly proud of the fact and overly keen to share it with others

I'd say you can't have your cake and eat it!

If I walk around in a t-shirt or any outfit that shows off my chest I would not be surprised to see men stare at my chest, possibly smile at me, possibly make comment on my chest to each other

So if I don't want men to do this I don't wear the figure-revealing outfit or wear a coat over it - simple!

Some women want the male attention but also want to control exactly how men react to them - this isn't possible and is exceedingly foolhardy in my opinion



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29 Nov 2012, 11:34 am

So, Nessa, what you're saying is you didn't comprehend the original post? Or you just love the opportunity to put others down?


I don't want male attention, I've dated guys but I just don't find them sexually attractive. I like women. I don't dress in revealing clothes and I'm not pretty. I'm also in no way responsible for the poor choices other people make.


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29 Nov 2012, 11:41 am

meems wrote:
So, Nessa, what you're saying is you didn't comprehend the original post? Or you just love the opportunity to put others down?


I don't want male attention, I've dated guys but I just don't find them sexually attractive. I like women. I don't dress in revealing clothes and I'm not pretty. I'm also in no way responsible for the poor choices other people make.


I comprehended it perfectly

I think your assessment of yourself as not pretty is incorrect as a woman who isn't pretty would in no way be getting all this male attention!

Can we see a photo of you?

And as for not being responsible for the poor choices other people make I'd say everyone is responsible for doing all they can to mitigate for other peoples' poor choices and thus keep themselves as safe as possible



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29 Nov 2012, 11:58 am

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meems wrote:
So, Nessa, what you're saying is you didn't comprehend the original post? Or you just love the opportunity to put others down?


I don't want male attention, I've dated guys but I just don't find them sexually attractive. I like women. I don't dress in revealing clothes and I'm not pretty. I'm also in no way responsible for the poor choices other people make.


I comprehended it perfectly

I think your assessment of yourself as not pretty is incorrect as a woman who isn't pretty would in no way be getting all this male attention!

Can we see a photo of you?

And as for not being responsible for the poor choices other people make I'd say everyone is responsible for doing all they can to mitigate for other peoples' poor choices and thus keep themselves as safe as possible


Have you read this thread? Like, at all? Even the later pages? Or are you just in the mood to proselytize and throw this "blame the victim" garbage at whoever is convenient? Never mind the fact that what meems looks like has absolutely no relevance to the topic at all, whatsoever.



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29 Nov 2012, 12:02 pm

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meems wrote:
So, Nessa, what you're saying is you didn't comprehend the original post? Or you just love the opportunity to put others down?


I don't want male attention, I've dated guys but I just don't find them sexually attractive. I like women. I don't dress in revealing clothes and I'm not pretty. I'm also in no way responsible for the poor choices other people make.


I comprehended it perfectly

I think your assessment of yourself as not pretty is incorrect as a woman who isn't pretty would in no way be getting all this male attention!

Can we see a photo of you?

And as for not being responsible for the poor choices other people make I'd say everyone is responsible for doing all they can to mitigate for other peoples' poor choices and thus keep themselves as safe as possible


Have you read this thread? Like, at all? Even the later pages? Or are you just in the mood to proselytize and throw this "blame the victim" garbage at whoever is convenient? Never mind the fact that what meems looks like has absolutely no relevance to the topic at all, whatsoever.


Yes I've read it

How she looks has a direct bearing on how much attention she's likely to get off men

Thus I was trying to establish how she looks as in saying she's not pretty, she appears to be contradicting the evidence she's given of the amount of unwanted attention she gets

I would be interested in seeing a photo of her dressed in the clothes she says she's wearing when these episodes of unwanted attention occur, so we can define exactly what it is that's drawing all these men's attention

If a person wears an outfit that draws unwanted attention surely it's better not to wear it?



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29 Nov 2012, 12:08 pm

I have a Jay Leno chin and I wear baggy clothes.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a367/ ... ea0940.jpg

The only difference between that picture and now is that I cut all of my hair off and I'm starting to slim down from weight training. And it's not like these guys are even close to my age or the kind of guys who get a lot of female attention .. one was extremely smelly, possibly homeless. Most of them had awful breath and didn't seem very keen on personal hygiene.

I was being really passive and I think each case was related to how obvious it was that I was uncomfortable speaking up for myself. But if people have no respect for the personal space of others, that's not anyone's fault but their own.

To say women who dress a certain way deserve what they get implies men are entitled to women's bodies if they are in anyway exposed. That's completely wrong. Women are entitled to their autonomy. No one is entitled to the body of another.

It doesn't matter if someone finds me attractive, they don't have the right to touch me or block my path to move away from them.


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29 Nov 2012, 12:09 pm

I don't really care what you'd like to see, my friend. This is not the "why do men harass meems" thread, so if you've really read it, maybe you should give it a reread to see if you can better comprehend what this discussion is.



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29 Nov 2012, 12:11 pm

I shouldn't have to wear a burqa in order to feel safe.

I'm regaining confidence and this hasn't happened much lately.


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29 Nov 2012, 12:12 pm

meems wrote:
I have a Jay Leno chin and I wear baggy clothes.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a367/ ... ea0940.jpg

The only difference between that picture and now is that I cut all of my hair off and I'm starting to slim down from weight training. And it's not like these guys are even close to my age or the kind of guys who get a lot of female attention .. one was extremely smelly, possibly homeless. Most of them had awful breath and didn't seem very keen on personal hygiene.

I was being really passive and I think each case was related to how obvious it was that I was uncomfortable speaking up for myself. But if people have no respect for the personal space of others, that's not anyone's fault but their own.

To say women who dress a certain way deserve what they get implies men are entitled to women's bodies if they are in anyway exposed. That's completely wrong. Women are entitled to their autonomy. No one is entitled to the body of another.

It doesn't matter if someone finds me attractive, they don't have the right to touch me or block my path to move away from them.


I hate to break this to you but Jay Leno chin or not, you're very attractive and even in that photo you are giving what many would term a 'come hither' look, so in my opinion this will mean you have to be more wary around men. No it's not your fault if they try and approach or manhandle you but you can do all you can to avoid them by not making eye contact, leaving if they approach or arranging to meet up with another person if possible when you go to cafes etc.

It will be the fact of you being on your own that will encourage them to try their chances.



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29 Nov 2012, 12:14 pm

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I don't really care what you'd like to see, my friend. This is not the "why do men harass meems" thread, so if you've really read it, maybe you should give it a reread to see if you can better comprehend what this discussion is.


Hmmm you sound aggressive!

I'm trying to advise her so that she can avoid the very behaviour she is complaining of.



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29 Nov 2012, 12:16 pm

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*chop*


I love how you selectively ignore the entire point of what's being conveyed to you so that you can continue to blame someone for being "too enticing".



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29 Nov 2012, 12:17 pm

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meems wrote:
*chop*


I love how you selectively ignore the entire point of what's being conveyed to you so that you can continue to blame someone for being "too enticing".


I'm not blaming her, I'm advising her on how best to deal with the situation

If men are finding her enticing she needs to mitigate for it in some way as the men are not going to stop being idiots.



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29 Nov 2012, 12:19 pm

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I shouldn't have to wear a burqa in order to feel safe.

I'm regaining confidence and this hasn't happened much lately.


No but are you aware of things like the fact that a lot of men will see even eye contact as a come on from an attractive woman?

It's good that you are regaining your confidence - it's evidently being reflected in your body language and causing the men not to be so bold