How to deal with unwanted attention?

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29 Nov 2012, 12:20 pm

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If men are finding her enticing she needs to mitigate for it in some way as the men are not going to stop being idiots.


You cannot POSSIBLY actually believe this! Are you screwing with me? You legitimately think someone doesn't have a right to be pretty AND not get harassed? In 2012??



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29 Nov 2012, 12:24 pm

I honestly don't understand facial expressions for the most part. In that picture I was leaning over petting my friend's dog and I was surprised that my photo was being taken.

I don't make eye contact if I can help it. Now I've just been wearing workout clothes, hoodies and track pants with trainers.

Wearing headphones/earbuds and reading has kept people from talking to me on the bus etc.


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29 Nov 2012, 12:27 pm

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If men are finding her enticing she needs to mitigate for it in some way as the men are not going to stop being idiots.


You cannot POSSIBLY actually believe this! Are you screwing with me? You legitimately think someone doesn't have a right to be pretty AND not get harassed? In 2012??


What is a 'right' if other people aren't prepared to respect that 'right'?

In life there's how people should act and how they do act - the two rarely coincide - I don't know if you've noticed?

So a person can have all the rights they like but if people aren't respecting them what good are they?

What do you suggest she does? Calls the police?

Harassment will occur whether it's legal or not - most people don't want the hassle of enforcing the law in each and every circumstance where a person oversteps the mark and that's even if the law would take their complaint seriously anyway - try reporting the harasser and see if it works by all means!

You seem to think I condone the harassment - I don't - I am just treating it in a more practical manner



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29 Nov 2012, 12:28 pm

Although I've been called a dyke lately so it seems no matter what I do I will receive unwanted comments.


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29 Nov 2012, 12:30 pm

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I honestly don't understand facial expressions for the most part. In that picture I was leaning over petting my friend's dog and I was surprised that my photo was being taken.

I don't make eye contact if I can help it. Now I've just been wearing workout clothes, hoodies and track pants with trainers.

Wearing headphones/earbuds and reading has kept people from talking to me on the bus etc.


Ok well I advise not makign eye contact with men in the vicinity and just reading your book

If they approach say please leave me alone

if they don't leave you alone move to a seat nearer others, tell the proprietor of the cafe (or bus driver etc) you are being harassed or leave the location of the harassment as soon as possible - that would be my advice

Try and spend more time with other people as there's safety in numbers



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29 Nov 2012, 12:31 pm

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Although I've been called a dyke lately so it seems no matter what I do I will receive unwanted comments.


Join the club - it's the fate of all women and men unfortunately - it's called life

Sorry to be harsh but it's true



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29 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm

I think it's still important to bring attention to the subject and spread awareness, else how will it ever change?


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29 Nov 2012, 12:35 pm

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I think it's still important to bring attention to the subject and spread awareness, else how will it ever change?


I totally agree

I've come across websites on this very subject eg the Hollaback campaign:-

http://www.ihollaback.org/share/



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29 Nov 2012, 1:23 pm

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What I see of the OP is that she has a special circumstance here where she is not only dealing with unwanted attention, but also dealing with it in combination with the post-trauma of her recent sexual assault (yes, for realz full-blown f***ing rape! explicit enough?). Why are me and Kjas the only people seeing this for what it is?


Er, because you're the only two that see the whole picture, not the half that was presented at the OP?

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This wasn't intended to be a thread about celebrating knocking guys egos, but everyone else in the thread (guys and girls) chimed in and posted as if it was. This was meant to be a thread about dealing with unwanted attention in the context of lingering sexual trauma.


Then put it in the Women's Discussion FFS!

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Granted not everyone knows the OP and what happened to her so they have reason to miss the true context, but then there were people in this thread who know full well what happened and willfully ignored it.


Bolded part is exactly correct, the other well... are you saying I've read the entire thread and then ignored it?
Wrong.
I haven't read the whole thread, nor want to from what I saw first page. But, alas, I await for your apology. Accusing me of deliberately ignoring that which I have not read, is libel.

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OMG, J-Greens. Why the f.....why would you say something like that? *facepalm* Now you just painted all men in a bad light. :?


Say what? The more you slam a person down the harder they will hit back...you take someone low on confidence and take that last bit away, what's going to happen? A reaction. A bit of tact and everyone's fine, you rip his heart out, expect a fist in return.

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Still, he's being a jerk.

For what? I didn't have the full picture, I typed in reply to what I saw. I'm being honest, reasonable and fairly restrained, in all fairness to what I read in the initial OP. Being a jerk for having an opinion, that's a new one.



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29 Nov 2012, 1:47 pm

Advocating violence in your most recent post, and accusing me of being responsible for men harassing women if I reject every man who shows interest.

That's why you're a jerk.

What am I supposed to do, pretend I'm interested? I'm not even heterosexual.


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29 Nov 2012, 2:00 pm

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Advocating violence in your most recent post

Er, where? I think you've mistaken metaphors for actual violence.


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What am I supposed to do, pretend I'm interested? I'm not even heterosexual.

No, show a bit of tact you'll soon find that innocent, normal people will understand what you've said and respect you for the way you said it.

Off for tea, now. Back in a bit.



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29 Nov 2012, 2:08 pm

Innocent and normal people don't harass in the first place. I wasn't talking about people who respect my wishes and my personal space.

I'm not having this problem anymore really, once in the last two weeks and my girlfriend pulled him away from me the third time he got up against me and tried to dance with me. He had been warned by me twice to stop touching me, the third time she pulled him back and asked if he wanted a girl to beat him up in public and he left us alone.

I think it's sad that it happened but he really wasn't innocent in anyway. And it's just not OK to grind on someone who clearly doesn't want to be touched.


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29 Nov 2012, 2:15 pm

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Innocent and normal people don't harass in the first place. I wasn't talking about people who respect my wishes and my personal space.

I'm not having this problem anymore really, once in the last two weeks and my girlfriend pulled him away from me the third time he got up against me and tried to dance with me. He had been warned by me twice to stop touching me, the third time she pulled him back and asked if he wanted a girl to beat him up in public and he left us alone.

I think it's sad that it happened but he really wasn't innocent in anyway. And it's just not OK to grind on someone who clearly doesn't want to be touched.


No it's not ok but you can't make all the bad things in life go away just because they're bad

It sounds like your gf was able to deal with him

Weren't there bouncers in the place?



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29 Nov 2012, 2:18 pm

meems wrote:
. I wasn't talking about people who respect my wishes and my personal space.

Actually, you weren't. You were talking about
meems wrote:
Recently I've become uncomfortable with guys flirting with me.
to which, I've said show a bit of tact and most normal, innocent guys will understand.

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He had been warned by me twice to stop touching me, the third time she pulled him back and asked if he wanted a girl to beat him up in public and he left us alone.

That's actually quite fair.

meems wrote:
but he really wasn't innocent in anyway.

He was wearing prison scrubs? Or perhaps a bit tipsy?

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And it's just not OK to grind on someone who clearly doesn't want to be touched.

Don't know about you, but I find communication and facial awareness in a dark strobe-lighting loud nightclub not the best.



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29 Nov 2012, 2:27 pm

It was an outside concert and he very clearly heard me and responded that he would stop both times. There wasn't any security.

He didn't have to be a convict to be guilty of violating my space.

I AM uncomfortable with men hitting on me, but I never become aggressive unless someone violates my space or says something threatening. Where did I say I was reacting aggressively to innocent and normal men? I may want to, but I'm generally very polite about rejecting advances... but again, this hasn't really continued to be a problem.

I described the behavior which you have apparently failed to read from the same paragraph you quoted from


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