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23 Oct 2012, 6:20 am

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It goes both ways though - some women seem to assume that every guy who asks them out is only after sex and not a relationship (this hasn't happened to me, just having read what has happened to others) and that's not a helpful attitude either.


EXACTLY.
Oh, by the way, Kjas, had posted a reply but it got deleted without authorization. No point trying with one arm clearly strung up firmly behind me. Funny how that happened by random chance...or some other users :roll:



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23 Oct 2012, 6:31 am

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Well that is strange, and sucks.
I have had posts lost before when they glitch, but I have never seen the mods be that fast - if you are correct in your assumption.
Sorry - I just wanted to understand your reasoning.

I agree that the "every guy is out for sex" attitude is not helpful. Although someone looking for sex and a relationship is not mutually exclusive either, which can complicates matters in terms of reading intentions. I wonder how many are in that category after both or either and get labelled incorrectly because of it - it's probably substantial.


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23 Oct 2012, 6:34 am

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CrinklyCrustacean wrote:
It goes both ways though - some women seem to assume that every guy who asks them out is only after sex and not a relationship (this hasn't happened to me, just having read what has happened to others) and that's not a helpful attitude either.


EXACTLY.
Oh, by the way, Kjas, had posted a reply but it got deleted without authorization. No point trying with one arm clearly strung up firmly behind me. Funny how that happened by random chance...or some other users :roll:


Any reply insulting another member that is reported gets deleted.
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This one was.


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23 Oct 2012, 6:49 am

Political Correctness. Call a spade a spade and a troll a troll. Insulted? That's how I felt when I first read the OP...



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23 Oct 2012, 6:57 am

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Political Correctness. Call a spade a spade and a troll a troll. Insulted? That's how I felt when I first read the OP...


You read the rules when you signed up.
If you didnt agree with them then you shouldnt have continued.

Disagree with the rules: find a place with rrules that are more suitable for you.



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23 Oct 2012, 7:44 am

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It is extremely lonely being a single woman. I can get “hit on” by drunken men if I go out to the right places. I could get sex. Very occasionally, a guy may even decide he’ll ask me on a date or ask me to be his girlfriend. But I – and I imagine other people, mainly girls, but guys too maybe – don’t want sex! I want a relationship. And not just to agree to settle for someone because they can’t get any other girl.

Being offered sex does not even come close to this type of relationship.

Yes! This is exactly how I feel; I'd rather have a relationship than sex, and I'm a man. :) It goes both ways though - some women seem to assume that every guy who asks them out is only after sex and not a relationship (this hasn't happened to me, just having read what has happened to others) and that's not a helpful attitude either.

I was also very irritated by some of the male responses.
If girls were asking me for sex all the time, I'd avoid them, too. I can't imagine intimate physical contact with anyone I don't know very well.

I have never had sex, so I don't know if it's a good thing. But if I was in a loving relationship with a girl, I would never dump her because she refused to have sex with me.

This might be a (theoretical) advantage of online dating: It's perfectly normal to state such attitudes there, whereas you would never mention this topic on a first date.



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23 Oct 2012, 10:02 am

Some girls want casual sex, just as some men want long term relationships. Otherwise neither (in the heterosexual context) would exist. But it makes it that much harder to find a partner as you have to find someone who wants the same type of relationship as you do. And, for me at least, it's been hard learning read what people were looking for.

But popular opinion tells us men generally prioritise sex more than women, which in theory should mean the men who mostly want a relationship, or sex only in the context of a stable relationship, an extra reason for women to appreciate them.

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Political Correctness. Call a spade a spade and a troll a troll. Insulted? That's how I felt when I first read the OP...


I'm not sure what I said to give you that impression, but you've misunderstood and I'd appreciate if you'd stop saying it. My post did not insult anyone; it expressed feelings that perhaps you can't relate to. I would hope people would as default be respectful. It's not expecting special treatment to hope not to be insulted.



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23 Oct 2012, 2:57 pm

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I think a lot of things you said are right, but I think you are wrong about how relationships should be started. I don't think waiting around for something to "click" is a good way of doing it. Even if you're neurotypical and you have all the necessary social constructs in your head to make spontaneous interaction possible (I'm guessing that if you're posting here then you're not), I don't think that allows for very deep interaction and closes you off to a lot of good opportunities that would develop if you gave people a chance. Just because an initial, accidental interaction with somebody doesn't trigger some sort of romantic feeling doesn't mean that you wouldn't go well with him. I always thought (this is how it is with me) that serious romantic attraction wasn't possible unless I thought hard about whether I wanted somebody and made a decision to give it a try. For me romantic attraction is almost a conscious decision.

I think you're right about how guys who hit on you don't really care. I always thought it was strange because obviously when you first start flirting with somebody you don't know anything about him/her other than what he/she looks like, so I can't imagine what you'd want apart from sex. But most women seem to expect a lot of effort from men from the very start. But they also don't want to be seen as sluts, which seems incongruous because they are encouraging men to go after them that they know just want sex.

Also for me part of the bonding process is sex.


Thankyou for you reply. I have tried giving people a chance though; I don't reject them outright. I think that's my problem - I don't seem capable of the relationships/feelings that come naturally to other people (and hence my diagnosis and why I'm here - I'm sure it's got to be related to that). Also, sometimes I do feel attraction to people and love people, whether as friends or potentially something more, but those people never seem interested in me. Even if I can get an aquaintance going, it never becomes meaningful. It's like the workings of being close to another human are beyond my capabilities and understanding. And that goes for friendships and other types of relationships too. It's the lack of a long-term, meaningful bond that is depressing.

Like I said, I don't get asked out very often at all. Some of the comments in this thread seem to make generalisations in which women get to do lots of rejecting. Maybe pretty, healthy girls are constantly rejecting men. I have a physical disability (which, though it doesn't stop many people forming relationships, does make things more complicated for me: for one thing being sick all the time makes it really hard to be a fun, energetic person - meeting people can be exhausting and you have to be dealing with problems thrown at you by your physical body when you're trying to concentrate on your social skills). And I have the social problems of Asperger's. I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses, but getting asked out a lot is really not something I've experienced! It's been very occasional. I get that even once is more than some people, but I'm not exactly inundated with offers.

I'm not against being hit on for sex: if you go to certain places, it's expected. In fact in some ways there's something more honest about it when a guy just wants a one-night stand - if he makes it clear he's not asking for anything more, and he's not claiming you're particularly special, at least both sides understand what he's asking for. As long as he accepts if you say no, that's fine. It's more honest than a guy who claims to want a girl to be his long term partner - which should be saying he's chosen her over others, and is asking for a lot of her dedication and her feelings - when really all he wants is to boost his own social status by getting any girl to go out with him. But getting hit on doesn't take the edge of the lack of a meaningful relationship, which is a seperate problem.

Thank you to everyone who's defended me in this thread. I can only say I'm genuine and I never intended my post to upset anyone. I was simply saying there's an issue I'm suffering from that I haven't seen aired on this forum much at all. Not denying other people have their own problems - just saying that the issues I've tried to express here are problems too and wanting to hear from people who felt the same way.


You seem like a nice person. Sorry if I misinterpreted what you said.



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23 Oct 2012, 3:11 pm

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Some girls want casual sex, just as some men want long term relationships. Otherwise neither (in the heterosexual context) would exist. But it makes it that much harder to find a partner as you have to find someone who wants the same type of relationship as you do. And, for me at least, it's been hard learning read what people were looking for.

But popular opinion tells us men generally prioritise sex more than women, which in theory should mean the men who mostly want a relationship, or sex only in the context of a stable relationship, an extra reason for women to appreciate them.

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Political Correctness. Call a spade a spade and a troll a troll. Insulted? That's how I felt when I first read the OP...


I'm not sure what I said to give you that impression, but you've misunderstood and I'd appreciate if you'd stop saying it. My post did not insult anyone; it expressed feelings that perhaps you can't relate to. I would hope people would as default be respectful. It's not expecting special treatment to hope not to be insulted.
fact of the matter is, the majority of men AND women want BOTH relationships, and sex. Men in a lot of cases can't get either while women can at minimum get sex(which they do enjoy LOL). Also women even ugly ones can usually find an average or SLIGHTLY below avg guy to have sex with her. Most guys will f**k anything....so the defense you girls are making that women only get sex from people they don't want just shows that women are picky..not that women actually get unattractive guys offering.


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23 Oct 2012, 4:56 pm

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fact of the matter is, the majority of men AND women want BOTH relationships, and sex. Men in a lot of cases can't get either while women can at minimum get sex


This. A million times. I don't know why or how, but it seems Women are totally and completely ignorant of this fact. They cannot understand how blatantly unjust this is. Natural discrimination for being a guy therefore entitles me to a lifetime of pursuing and approaching for the most basic and fundamental human needs.

That is, companionship.
Not just sex. That to.



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24 Oct 2012, 5:55 am

no sex is better than bad sex
way better like it's not even close
sex isn't a need, it's a want

the exact same number of straight men and straight women are in relationships
since straight women like to be in relationships with men clearly they aren't discriminating against them in favor of other genders in the dating market because that would make no sense...for real what are you smoking

the bawws about this are ridiculous


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24 Oct 2012, 7:07 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
no sex is better than bad sex
way better like it's not even close
sex isn't a need, it's a want


In most cases where the sex is bad, women have nobody but themselves to blame. The previous woman who complained about bad sex to me, f*cked like a tranquilized mattress.

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the exact same number of straight men and straight women are in relationships
since straight women like to be in relationships with men clearly they aren't discriminating against them in favor of other genders in the dating market because that would make no sense...for real what are you smoking

the bawws about this are ridiculous


There's slightly more men than women and men are more likely to practice serial monogamy.

Here's an analogy I've come up with:

In my university (Universitetet i Stavanger), there are 900 parking spaces. At 9.30 AM, these are filled with 900 cars (not a single space is availale), but there are still 20 cars that drive around on the campus looking for a vacant parking space. 75% of these cars are good cars, but are still willing to settle for the worst parking spaces (out of desperation) should they become available.

At 10 AM, five cars leave and 20 cars fight for these five parking spaces, filling them within one minute. A few minutes later, ten more cars arrive the campus to fight with the remaining 15 to get the next vacant parking space. The parking spaces themselves don't have to do anything to get a car; they just wait passively to be occupied.

The bottom line is, almost all cars (900 out of 920) have parking spaces, but it's a helluva big deal to get one if you're late. This is how dating is to men.

The only difference I can think of is that parking spaces won't care who you're friends with, if you don't like to party and so on.

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24 Oct 2012, 7:31 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
no sex is better than bad sex
way better like it's not even close
sex isn't a need, it's a want

the exact same number of straight men and straight women are in relationships
since straight women like to be in relationships with men clearly they aren't discriminating against them in favor of other genders in the dating market because that would make no sense...for real what are you smoking

the bawws about this are ridiculous


Exactly. Most men do not have so much trouble finding sex or relationships. The primary problem for anyone who can't is not their gender.

And if you want a meaningful relationship, want to love someone and be loved, want to belong with someone, and don't have that, remembering that one time some drunk stranger hit on you is just not a consolation. It just doesn't even compare. Wanting a happy relationship is something that, for many many people, every instinct and social expectation compels them towards. I don't see why that is so hard to understand. It's not offensive to feel this way.



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24 Oct 2012, 7:42 am

Withdrawal wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
no sex is better than bad sex
way better like it's not even close
sex isn't a need, it's a want

the exact same number of straight men and straight women are in relationships
since straight women like to be in relationships with men clearly they aren't discriminating against them in favor of other genders in the dating market because that would make no sense...for real what are you smoking

the bawws about this are ridiculous


Exactly. Most men do not have so much trouble finding sex or relationships. The primary problem for anyone who can't is not their gender.

And if you want a meaningful relationship, want to love someone and be loved, want to belong with someone, and don't have that, remembering that one time some drunk stranger hit on you is just not a consolation. It just doesn't even compare. Wanting a happy relationship is something that, for many many people, every instinct and social expectation compels them towards. I don't see why that is so hard to understand. It's not offensive to feel this way.


Romance and monogamy is both BS and manmade. Only the sex and companionship part abput a relationship is natural.



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24 Oct 2012, 8:24 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
no sex is better than bad sex
way better like it's not even close
sex isn't a need, it's a want


Who are you to tell me what sex is like? It's a completely personal activity that's individual to everyone. How can any one person tell another that one bad or average experience is better than NEVER experiencing it?

And to my knowledge, the human species continues because of reproduction. So I'd rate Sex as a need. Otherwise, if everyone gave up sex because it wasn't needed, our species would die out. Great plan.