NT women cant stand aspie men!

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I know the title is meant to be trolling but ACTUALLY it's true, most NT women don't like socially awkward guys who can't make physical contact, make them feel uncomfortable, make awkward eyecontact or none at all and are too scared to openly display their attraction for the girl.

the same way most guys don't like fat ugly chicks. It's all curable though, both the fat ugliness for the girls and social awkwardness for the guys. You shouldn't even be worrying about finding a girl who likes aspies or whatever, instead you should be working on fixing the shitty personality traits, and yes they are shitty, of AS so that you can be more attractive

From my experience, NT women tend to avoid me like the plague.

I very rarely get interest, but from women I haven't any interest in. Never from the girl I actually like. Maybe I'm a terrible person, but I am honestly not a bad looking guy. I feel like I deserve someone attractive.

Id like to say, it was suggested that negative people have bad things given to them due to their negativity. I find this concept silly at best, is it not possible they became negative due to how many bad things happen to them?

This. When bad things continue to happen to you, it turns your outlook very negative.

Of course. But it really isn't that nuts to suggest that when people's experiences lead them to develop that negative attitude, the attitude itself only exacerbates those experiences, and as a result they keep happening, and the person becomes more and more jaded each time, leading to even more negative experiences, resulting in a self-perpetuating cycle of loathing. Like a veritable Ouroboros of s**t.

Remember, this is all just speculation on my part and I don't claim anything I say to be necessarily true, I'm just expressing my thoughts.

I'd wager it is true. The worst part of having been handed a shittier life is that it's a positive feedback loop. Trying to crawl your way out of that pit is a non-stop endeavor.

Talking about abuse...

Yeah in a funny way though I know its not always true that NT women cant stand aspie men though thats why I got people to look and said just kidding. I am sure there are a few good NT women out there you just gotta know where to look.

Look at this, Mr. Otaku! 11 pages of misanthrope and whinging and arguing, all because of you! This would have never happened hadn't you started this thread!

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.....lol jk. We'd have done it in another thread anyway.

From my personal view I still thought, it would be easier for men then for women. For me all the social stuff is extreme hard. I can put much effort in it, and the outcome is barely to notice. Problem for me is: Many NT Men link women only to that social stuff. So all advantages you can have, are bound someway on being a status symbol, being nice, being a mother replacement and so on.

The advantages I have, hard skills like being good at learning, leading to being good at school, having a good school education, being an engineer now, earning sufficient money is something which many men dont interest. So after years, to my surprise, I met someone by accident, but only after I already surrenderd and accepted to have no relationship ever and live on my own.

So I accept that its socially for you as bad as for me. But for me it seems that you have a socially for men much more appreciated alternative: Just ignore the social stuff, focus on working and earning money and by this way earning advantages which are for men accepted, when it comes to dating and relationships.

I mean if I take a person of our company: This men is just so an idiot i could puke when seeing him. Really mentally dumb, socially dumb, egoistic, absolute no responsibility, absolute no skills you could respect him for, within he is still like a child and if you would not carry him his ass behind, he would forget it somewhere. But hes got money from his parents. So whenever he is out at weekends, he seems to have no problem with girls. (He is phoning with them during week, so we know about them.)

So I am really whondering, because from my oppinion it always seemed that you have it much easier: Earn money with hard skills, have a big car, build a house you can offer your potential female partner - and lots of women seem to come like the moths to the light. Do the same as a women: Get devalued as battle-feminist. -.- Instead of being appreciated for what you acchieved, its the opposite: NT-men feel that you took them their advantage as "family-provider". -.-

And its not only the guy in my company, so I see lots of really, really dumb guys, completely idiots, people you would jail in quarantine if dumbness was contagious. And all they have to do is wasting money for cloth with brand names, spending some drinks, and allright... there they go.

So for me it always seemed to me, that men would have it pretty easy. While everything most NT-men see as an advantage on women is crippled on me by the Asperger problem, everything NT-women see as an advantage on men I can provide because it is not affected by the Aspergerproblem. Being able to work hard, physical and mental, being responsible and so on, being able to provide a family and so on. Just that this is often seen as an misadvantage on me, because I am female.

So for me it always seemed, that if I was a man, sure i would be a geeky men. But surrounding me I see lots of social inaccurate men, having partners, because of that "hard skills" advantages, they can acchieve. Even if I maybe would not found a partner in my surrounding, because of this "modern fashion" society, I still had the alternative on trying to meet women from countries, where hard skills still are worth something. If my partner is from China, Thailand, Ucraine, Belrussia and so on... who cares, when we are both happy?

Instead I do well in my job, graduated a good school, dont avoid physical work by renewing our house on our own: And all I get are blames all the time, and that everything on me is wrong, because I dont care for the monthly fashion or other complete idiotic, nonsense stuff. -.-.

this article states that some PUA strategies are supported by science and some of them are not, i.e.:



though the conclusion then trails off at the end and vaguely says something like "if men use it ethically like women use manipulation like makeup to initiate LTRs, we wholeheartedly support it", which hilariously is neither advocated by the books they reviewed nor particularly effective for that purpose! they only ever compared the books against initial attraction, never against actual LTR effectiveness, so the study overreaches itself by making a recommendation.


with this study, it says almost exactly what i said about 5 pages back, well whaddya know:




this study was nothing to do with anything we have discussed, so i am not sure why you threw in this red herring. that entire study is negated by women who take the pill.

obviously i was going to actually read the studies you posted, which i think would have been a good idea for you to do as well. all you did was reinforce what i already said - that you are assuming too much about people. you cannot possibly know the myriad factors that go into any other person's decision making process regarding dating. you can speculate, you can chip away at bit and pieces, but you don't have the whole picture.


i am not so sure if i can return that compliment, considering the studies you posted. :/

but your current viewpoint is irrational. i mean, you think you are an extra special person who deserves something better than other people. that is not really rational.

no, i do not see a magical reality. i see the same world as you do, it is just that i filter it differently. your filter is no more accurate or true than mine is. i am not sure why some people have this idea that their own worldview is correct simply because... they are seeing it, but maybe someday they'll realise how absurd that idea really is. or not. for now i'll keep laughing.

that's the thing though. people in that negative loop have not necessarily had a worse life to start with. they may have actually had a better life than a person with a good attitude. i've been shocked to hear how good some people's lives are, and yet they carry some pretty crappy attitudes. often, their bad attitudes stem from a disconnect between what life they think they deserve and what life they are able to obtain.

a regular normal life is not good enough for them.
a regular good job is not good enough for them.
a regular partner is not good enough for them.

...because they deserve better than other people, and an average normal life with regular occurrences, like an average number of tragedies and rejections, or a normal job that doesn't involve prestige, is like they are getting flogged by demons in the seventh circle of hell, apparently.

go ahead and play "Crappy Life Bingo" between people with positive and negative attitudes, and i don't think you will find that people with bad attitudes had more instances of abuse neglect, rejection, poverty, unemployment, crime, tragedy, or any other marker of difficulty.

Seeing as how I didn't claim that they all worked and with equal efficacy, this fact is irrelevant.



So? It doesn't matter what the books advocate, it has no bearing on whether or not the tactics and strategies work.



A quick dive through the horrible world of Pick-Up Artistry will reveal that they've got a whole slew of tactics and strategies aimed at men trying to get and maintain an LTR. It's probably only a matter of time before a peer-reviewed study is done on that as well.



The whole point is to show that human attraction can be understood and broken down. Sure not EVERYONE is attracted to "dark" personalities, but what those people ARE attracted to have perfectly logical and sensible explanations as well.



It's not a red herring, it's meant to demonstrate that the myriad of funny human behaviors associated with relationships and sex have been researched and studied for some time now, and that many of the claims that don't even originate within the PUA community are steadily being backed by science. I COULD get a tailored list prepared, but I decided to settle for 3 links I had on hand, I'm only willing to put so much effort into an internet debate designed to kill a little bit of time.



They were the last 3 I've read. You just didn't grasp my purpose in posting them.



...if you say so...I'm pretty sure it reinforced what I SAID, which is that strong, masculine, "alpha" traits are what women are attracted to (which all three studies address), and that female mate selection can be analyzed via science.



Annnnd here we go again. Human brains are not black boxes incapable of being unlocked, we're discovering more and more all the time, and you can make hypotheses based on limited data, it's done in science all the time, and I hate to say it but you probably don't know much about that, because you're not a scientist. If you think scientists run around having 100% of the picture before they formulate hypotheses and theories, I'd honestly wonder how you think science ever gets anywhere. We DON'T know all of the myriad of factors involved in the decision-making process of human beings, but we're starting to understand enough of them to believe we're able to see the big picture.



You misunderstanding the purpose of why I posted them has nothing to do with scientific literacy.



If you don't think people that work extra hard don't deserve extra, then you're seriously the worst kind of leftist. I don't think I'm extra special, I just put in a hell of a lot of work and expect just return on it. Enjoy your evenly-trimmed poppies.



It is my belief that the world we see is the same, and your filter is wrong, while mine is right. Conspiracy theorists who think that reptilians have infiltrated our governments are also seeing the same world, but alas not all filters were created equal...kind of like men.

Respectfully, this is unlikely.

Rule number 1 - womens dating advice SUCKS

Being advised on dating by a straight woman is usually a disaster. They have no experience of your male role, so take everything with a pinch of salt.



Ever been to a foster home? a detention center? A prison?

your studies didn't demonstrate what you thought they did, because they all showed that there were always exceptions. so... people were not entirely predictable, as i have been saying all along. so much for your understanding of the science there.

and you're getting a little odd here:

.... because we're talking about dating.


you can stamp your foot and keep saying it over and over, but that doesn't make it true. you are correct in your eyes, i am correct in my eyes, and we will not see eye-to-eye. there is no right or wrong here, only a difference of perspective. i'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree.

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