Rules of Attraction for Aspie Women
It was somewhere between one and two weeks from meeting her that her grandma died, so there wasn’t much of our relationship that occurred before her loss. We we’re still getting to know each other then as we still are, but the theme of our relationship for the most part has been dealing with this loss.
Another thing about her that I forgot to mention in my OP was that she is very shy too. She’s very, very guarded, but that’s not surprising to me considered the way that most people like us are treated growing up. She said her last boyfriend dumped her really badly and that the only reason he went out with her in the first place was because they were both autistic. It’s been about two years since then, and it doesn’t sound like he was a great guy to begin anyway. I keep trying to convince her that I am not this man. Trying to convince her to give me just one chance to show how generous and loving I can be to and how deep a connection I want with a woman. I keep telling her how beautiful she is (she is very pretty, none of those compliments come from flattery), how much I care about her well-being, and how I can’t wait to spoil her this Valentine’s Day.
I guess I worry sometimes about coming on too strong, which has been a problem for me in the past, but every time I ask her if I am, she just laughs it off and tells me that she likes the attention I give her and the questions I ask her. She says she likes me and is willing to give me a chance and that she’ll let me know when she’s ready to talk. She even told me one time that I’m “cute.” Now correct me if I’m wrong ladies, but you usually use the word “cute” to describe a guy that you’re attracted to sexually right? I mean, whenever I’ve heard a woman use that word, it’s because she’s really into him; his looks and otherwise.
Well I hope the space between us is just a combination of her shyness and the bad loss that she’s going through. I tell her all the time that I’m right here and available for anytime that she wants to talk. I hope my actions and words haven’t been interpreted as pressure, but it seems like she’s alright with how I’m working her.
Sinsboldly, your point is a valid one, about if I haven’t received her number yet I may not ever get it. It’s kind of where my fears are originating. I certainly hope that is not the case here, but every indication I’ve seen tells me to wait and be patient. Then again, I’m AS and my ability to read and predict one’s feelings and intention isn’t 100% obviously.
So while I'm waiting for her to open her heart to me (so I can then promptly snatch it
So ladies, if you would all so kindly help me, can you give me any pointers or words of advice on this matter?
My advice is to be yourself. You can't trick someone into liking you, and if you change your behaviour, it will only backfire in the long run. The only way to really win her favour is to find out what kind of person she is (ie her interests, her likes/dislikes, etc) and play on those. The fact that she's Aspie doesn't mean she has a certain type of personality.
Other than that, I can only speak from my own personal view, which I don't expect other AS women to agree with. The one AS-specific thing that turns me off a guy are sensory stimuli. If he has a lot of twitchy, nervous movements, if he smells strongly, if chews gum with his mouth open or makes other annoying noises, if he is too touchy-feely, etc.
I certainly know about not being able to read people very well! And I know all about someone being guarded as to protect a tender heart!
you sound like you could be a good boyfriend, Darkness, already thinking about Valentine's Day. you sound like the kind of man that would look forward to the joy you can bring when you give someone you like very much some lovely surprise. Hang in there, and send her your friendly upbeat messages of respectful regard. Even if nothing comes of it, you will have done the right thing and gotten a lot of experience in being a stand up guy.
hey, that should be on the top of the list, A Woman, Aspie or not, wants a Stand Up guy!
Merle
you sound like you could be a good boyfriend, Darkness, already thinking about Valentine's Day. you sound like the kind of man that would look forward to the joy you can bring when you give someone you like very much some lovely surprise. Hang in there, and send her your friendly upbeat messages of respectful regard. Even if nothing comes of it, you will have done the right thing and gotten a lot of experience in being a stand up guy.
hey, that should be on the top of the list, A Woman, Aspie or not, wants a Stand Up guy!
Merle
Yeah, I've always made sure to spoil my closest friends and I know how important V-day is to the ladies. I'm just real connected like that. I know the pleasure in giving and have a innate need to act and help my woman when she's going though a rough time.
Thank you all for sharing your experiences. That was kind of what I meant to ask for when creating this thread, because this isn't a science and I don't expect to come away with absolute facts about what makes an AS/HFA woman tick. The only way practically to learn anything about people is by observation and surveying, like I'm doing here, in hopes of seeing a pattern emerge . Your input and advice has been very helpful, so please keep them coming.
She met a new guy at work and now only likes me as a friend. Once again, I'm feeling really great about myself.
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Well what was I supossed to do? Tell that I don't care and to take her greif elsewhere? I don't understand. Women say they want to be loved and feel secure and I thought that sticking by her during this time of need would prove both to her. Sometimes I just don't understand women. I'm generous, sensitive to their feelings, loyal, have goals in life, and very loving. Yet I'm always the one that's pushed aside.
I'm sorry this happened, Dark.
I can only tell you how I work. Of course I was always looking out for a man who was considerate, sensitive, loyal, and loving. But my attraction to a particular individual has always been made or broken on other factors. Those nice qualities you mention are required, but they are not the whole story. They are also subjectively rated. What I consider super nice might strike another woman as overbearing, for instance.
I think sometimes men make the mistake of thinking they can win a girl's heart with gifts and many considerate gestures, when really (imo) those are things best reserved for the woman you already won.
Don't stop being nice. I just think you'll end up attracting the right girl with your other, unique qualities.
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The machine does not isolate man from the great problems of nature but plunges him more deeply into them. -Antoine de Saint Exupéry
Don't stop being nice. I just think you'll end up attracting the right girl with your other, unique qualities.
Thanks Gwenevyn. Well how am I supposed to act exactly to a woman that I am attracted to? I need a set of rules, of what to do and what not to do, what to say and what not to say. Something like that, because being AS, I can't deduce these things by myself naturally. I need a gameplay, or a blueprint to follow. What I think I know about attraction clearly isn’t right.
Don't stop being nice. I just think you'll end up attracting the right girl with your other, unique qualities.
Thanks Gwenevyn. Well how am I supposed to act exactly to a woman that I am attracted to? I need a set of rules, of what to do and what not to do, what to say and what not to say. Something like that, because being AS, I can't deduce these things by myself naturally. I need a gameplay, or a blueprint to follow. What I think I know about attraction clearly isn’t working.
I don't know much about what it's like to be on the other side of things... to be the guy, I mean. I don't know much about standard social circles either. The guys I've dated, I've met on the net, school, role playing groups, stuff like that. They didn't do anything special to get my attention. It was just always a matter of serendipity--just being in the right place at the right time. They were available and attentive to me, but equally attentive and nice guys did not get my attention because I was not attracted.
I guess the bottom line is, like others have said, it's a numbers game. You might have to be nice to a lot of girls before you find the right sort of girl in the right time, who will be enchanted with everything you are, naturally. I wish it were as simple as "follow these rules in this order and get a girlfriend" but much of it is out of the guy's hands... at least in the social circles I've been in. I think the rules of engagement are a lot different for people who are interested in large group activities like dancing, clubbing, etc.
Anyhow, I don't know how helpful that is, but you definitely have my sympathy because I think it's hard to be a guy in this context.
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The machine does not isolate man from the great problems of nature but plunges him more deeply into them. -Antoine de Saint Exupéry
Don't stop being nice. I just think you'll end up attracting the right girl with your other, unique qualities.
Thanks Gwenevyn. Well how am I supposed to act exactly to a woman that I am attracted to? I need a set of rules, of what to do and what not to do, what to say and what not to say. Something like that, because being AS, I can't deduce these things by myself naturally. I need a gameplay, or a blueprint to follow. What I think I know about attraction clearly isn’t right.
It sure is frustrating. It's a paradox of sorts, to me at least. Attraction brings all these other feelings, that'll push you away from her. But if there was no attraction I wouldn't even try to be with a girl.
I don't think girls can even give you a proper answer. Just keep going out there, and trying other ways of communicating. It may not even be your fault that these relationships don't work. Don't beat yourself up too much.
An idea I have is that while you could be a nice boyfriend or whatever, you aren't fulfilling everything that this girl has dreamed a boyfriend to be. So while she wants to grow closer, she is in a way holding out for something more... maybe.... just an idea I had... other people can say if this rings true or not.
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Wonder what it feels like to be in love?
How would you describe it, like a push or shove?
Guess I could pretend that this is all I need
Wanting more than what I have might appear as greed.
I do and they always say no or give an excuse. Ah, just forget it. I don't have the heart for this anymore. My brain just isn't built to comprehend the significance of "the game." I just want to find someone without the BS, but it comes with the territory. I'm shutting myself away again.
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Taking a break from trying is often the best thing a person can do.
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The machine does not isolate man from the great problems of nature but plunges him more deeply into them. -Antoine de Saint Exupéry
Taking a break from trying is often the best thing a person can do.
Perhaps, but I took a long break after my freshman year of HS. Only recently have I been trying again, because I figured things would be eaiser when I was an adult, and girls would a little more mature and accepting of someone like me who's different, but a damn thing hasn't changed since then. Why would anything change in a couple months or a couple years from now?
Sorry. I'm just feeling cynical as hell right now.
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