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22 Sep 2008, 9:00 am

Saffy wrote:
I've been married to a man with AS for the last 10 years ( together longer).
There are some things you might find helpful

1. Do not expect him to guess or know what you are feeling/thinking - unless you tell him.
2. If you want to know how he feels about something - give him time to answer, give him time to think about it.
3. If he is under stress or anxious - recognise that you will most likely not get the answers that you are looking for if you are trying to talk to him
4. Let him know with an "I" statement , how you are feeling about things if you are having a difference of opinion ( if you stay involved with him that is sure to happen. e.g I feel upset when you do not respond when I have asked you a question. I would really like you to acknowledge that I've said something , even if you do not have a response right now ", That would be helpful for me.
5. He may adore you, but may have trouble expressing that through words, and will need a bit more alone time than NT males.
6. I love my AS husband, and for all the kinks we have to work through regularly it is still worth it. I have a wonderful unique, intelligent and quirky husband :)


thanks....these are a very helpful points of view...any no. 7 or more? :)



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23 Sep 2008, 9:12 pm

Thanks for your insights and advice, everyone who replied. I'm going to tell him this weekend when I see him. Will let you know how it goes...



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24 Sep 2008, 2:36 am

I hope it goes well, if I can help at all, I'm here :)



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24 Sep 2008, 7:47 am

maybe you just need to make make a very clear first move. perhaps he is shy



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24 Sep 2008, 10:20 am

OK, I have another question. I noticed a pattern in my interaction with my aspie guy. He tends to act indifferent and seemingly cold to me when I'm the one who initiates contact with him (IM, phone). However, when he's the one who initiates contact with me, that's when he's super friendly and sweet. I almost feel like it's a "let him come to you" thing like when you're trying to pet a dog or something. Is this a not uncommon behavior with aspies? I'm an introvert so I understand and respect his need for space and alone time, but at the same time I don't want to be scared of contacting him if I need to talk to him. I'd almost rather that when he doesn't want to be bothered he make himself unavailable (i.e., log out of IM, turn off his phone for a while etc.) because I'd rather not talk to him when he's going to be indifferent/cold.



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24 Sep 2008, 1:17 pm

suebear wrote:
OK, I have another question. I noticed a pattern in my interaction with my aspie guy. He tends to act indifferent and seemingly cold to me when I'm the one who initiates contact with him (IM, phone). However, when he's the one who initiates contact with me, that's when he's super friendly and sweet. I almost feel like it's a "let him come to you" thing like when you're trying to pet a dog or something. Is this a not uncommon behavior with aspies? I'm an introvert so I understand and respect his need for space and alone time, but at the same time I don't want to be scared of contacting him if I need to talk to him. I'd almost rather that when he doesn't want to be bothered he make himself unavailable (i.e., log out of IM, turn off his phone for a while etc.) because I'd rather not talk to him when he's going to be indifferent/cold.


If I'm working or focusing, or even just immersed in my head taking some time for repose, I can be a world-class jackass when interrupted, according to those around me... so I can relate to the situation described. However, having him shut down to signify it may not be practical. Again, in my experience, I may be using IM to discuss a compositional issue with another musician - not for social purposes. It may also be that he is having trouble addressing his emotions, and is selective in expressing them. I would not think it a major issue, just worth mentioning to him in the future.


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24 Sep 2008, 2:52 pm

makuranososhi wrote:
If I'm working or focusing, or even just immersed in my head taking some time for repose, I can be a world-class jackass when interrupted, according to those around me...


I'm curious ...what's going on in your head at the moment others around you think you're a world-class jackass? I assume you're not aware that you're being a jack-ass, but are you trying to convey somehow that you do not want to be bothered, or are upset that you have been bothered?



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24 Sep 2008, 3:06 pm

suebear wrote:
makuranososhi wrote:
If I'm working or focusing, or even just immersed in my head taking some time for repose, I can be a world-class jackass when interrupted, according to those around me...


I'm curious ...what's going on in your head at the moment others around you think you're a world-class jackass? I assume you're not aware that you're being a jack-ass, but are you trying to convey somehow that you do not want to be bothered, or are upset that you have been bothered?


I don't often recognize it in the moment; from feedback, I am short, terse, curt, tonally abrupt, irritable. It is almost distressing when I am in a flow, locked into myself, and then I am shaked out of it. Imagine being sound asleep and waking hard into a bad mood/situation - that is one way it has been described to me. Once I have a moment, I am fine... it's the jolt, the distraction, the loss of clearheaded quiet, that bothers me most I think. It's noise in my head, it's distracting. That is a rare time for me... just cranky old man, I guess.


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06 Oct 2008, 10:30 pm

An (albeit frustrating) update for anyone who cares:

I told the aspie guy I like how I felt. One night we got on the topic of relationships and he admitted not ever having been in one before. I told him about my past relationships and he told me about his past rejections. I told him straight up that it was their loss and that I thought he was great and that I would want to date him. I mentioned this twice in the conversation, and each time he responded with a joke as if he were jokingly brushing off my comment. The second time I called him on it and he said that it was a defense mechanism thing he did. Judging by the way he looks at me and the nature of the compliments he gives me, I truly believe he likes me.

Basically, I still feel like I've gotten nowhere. If he's going to do the defense mechanism thing whenever I sincerely admit my feelings for him and not respond appropriately or explicitly reciprocate any feelings back, it's going to get on my nerves and make me want to give up on him. However, I'm so smitten by this guy that I can't imagine giving up on him. I can't stop thinking about him and want him more than anything, and to make it worse, I don't know what I mean to him because I can't break past his barriers. I'm easily at risk of becoming his doormat because I'm letting him interrupt my life so much while I'm pretty sure he's not letting me interrupt his. He's just going on with his own life as usual, I think.

To add more drama (as if I needed any in my life at the moment), I met a guy at school who I have developed a bit of a crush on. He's NT but in a lot of ways his personality is like my aspie guy, but he happens to be a lot more mature and stable in the emotions department and a good communicator. We're on acquaintance terms right now, but if he shows any interest in me I will be very tempted to pursue something with him. BUT something inside is making me feel like crap for even considering this guy because I'm just so in love with my aspie guy. Overall I like the aspie guy more, but it seems I'm not getting anywhere with no sign of getting anywhere in the near future. He can be difficult to read and to communicate with sometimes, his feelings toward me are obscure and uncertain and confusing, he's emotionally pretty immature and I'm not sure he can give me what I need in a relationship, but despite all this I'm smitten with him and have fallen in love with the person he is. I don't know what to do here... :cry:

I thought about giving him an ultimatum like "Look, are you interested in being in a relationship with me or not? " but I'm worried that might put him off somehow. And of course I'm scared of the answer being no. It would not only hurt me, but it would possibly change or affect the great friendship we have now. I really just wanted a relationship to develop naturally from our friendship...



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07 Oct 2008, 12:11 am

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I mentioned this twice in the conversation, and each time he responded with a joke as if he were jokingly brushing off my comment. The second time I called him on it and he said that it was a defense mechanism thing he did. Judging by the way he looks at me and the nature of the compliments he gives me, I truly believe he likes me.


I am an aspie girl, 21 and have never been in a relationship. The thing is maybe he doesn't believe you are serious. Maybe he's gonna think you'll toy with him. Maybe he doesn't want to date you untill he can trust you 100% like know everything about you. Maybe there are things about himself that makes him to be not confident like "what if she knows that I do that?". SO WRITE HIM A LETTER WITHOUT FIGURES OF SPEECH. ^^ My advice. Maybe he is not reading your non verbal language which happens to all of us. So try to write very straight like.

"I am this way. You are this way. The least thing I would do on earth was disappointing you"

But as an asperger, people HURT. I know, so... think twice, I like things that ast forever, I'd never date "just for fun", each one of us think differently of course, but that's how I think.



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07 Oct 2008, 6:26 pm

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Also understand that he has prolly been thrown around by girls, and not in a good way! We aspies do not get clung onto, or swooned for. We dont have a flock of seagulls trying to eat bread out of our hand. We dont even have a girl who says you look cute to us, 9 out of 10 times. We are seen as wierd, different, not as intriguing or intresting. He's shy, and inexperienced from what I read here.

I have to disagree with this. Some aspies do get clung onto and are swooned over and they don't want it. I'm one example and I know of another. When an NT girl falls for an Aspie, it's very hard to give him up as the OP has said. You don't want anyone else. You also don't know where you stand. One day things are going great and you feel on top of the world, the next he hardly acts like you are there.

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Basically, I still feel like I've gotten nowhere. If he's going to do the defense mechanism thing whenever I sincerely admit my feelings for him and not respond appropriately or explicitly reciprocate any feelings back, it's going to get on my nerves and make me want to give up on him. However, I'm so smitten by this guy that I can't imagine giving up on him. I can't stop thinking about him and want him more than anything, and to make it worse, I don't know what I mean to him because I can't break past his barriers. I'm easily at risk of becoming his doormat because I'm letting him interrupt my life so much while I'm pretty sure he's not letting me interrupt his. He's just going on with his own life as usual, I think.


This statement is so true I could have written it. I don't know what I mean to my aspie, I probably already am his doormat and my life has been so interrupted over the last 3 years, I rearrange everything just to spend time with him and he seems to give up nothing. It's like an addiction. My head tells me to walk away, it's too confusing, my heart says no.

My advice to you suebear is to write him a letter, be very clear about your feelings and what you want. Then take the lead, ask him out. Just don't push too hard too fast. Go to dinner, go see a movie, you'll probably have to lead most of the way. If you really want him then go get him. Give the other guy a wait. Give this one a chance.


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10 Oct 2008, 1:42 pm

well i wish id seen this thread before the update. as far as the detached coldness, it seems simple enough to me.. when he calls you he is excited etc when u call him hes uninterested. sounds to me like simple planning.. when he calls you he has a plan, an idea of what he wants to do an how things are supposed to go, probably even has lil speaches prepared for various situations. When you call him hes unprepared, he will be forced to freestyle which can be incredibly discomforting.

as far as the new guy thing goes, this is exactly what hes afraid of id imagine. from my own personal experience i can say i know the feeling of "wow this is so great, shame that eventually shes gonna meet some normal dood who isnt a total pain in the ass to deal with and who knows how to act etc, and im gonna be holding the bag again" this feeeds the coldness because if unprepared for a situation his shortcomings seem that much more pronounced to him and makes Joe NT look that much more appealing to you. catch 22. hes damned if he does and damned if he doesnt, so to protect himself he keeps his distance.



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10 Oct 2008, 7:54 pm

OK, so I told him and it got through to him what I meant exactly and my heart is now torn to pieces.



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10 Oct 2008, 8:14 pm

ValMikeSmith wrote:
I couldn't have said this better myself:
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"I can only speak for myself, and my impressions... if I'm not interested in a friendship or relationship with someone, I will not invest the time in them. When someone one is interested in me, it takes a sledgehammer to awaken me to it, because I do not trust my own sense of what it going on - too faulty, too many questions. Pressure makes me uncomfortable, and it has taken a lot of work to learn to stay with that feeling instead of escaping it. Talk to him - clearly, and in definite terms (as opposed to how one might talk more generally to one who easily grasps implications and meanings). That he takes the time, that he expresses, that he want to share a small part of himself with you so quickly, are good signs.


I am almost totally blind to flirting and other body language. I can only hear what you say.
If my friends tell me a girl likes me because she's flirting I think they're joking.
If I do notice flirting I mistake it for being silly and teasing and making fun of me.

My own expressions also vary in intensity between totally flat and almost normal.
If I or someone is not expressing, it's meaningless quiet nothing, not indifference.
I assume people mean what they say. A denial of interest is taken literally as a rejection.


Thank you, VMS, I appreciate the supportive words.

suebear, what's going on?


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10 Oct 2008, 9:36 pm

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I'm easily at risk of becoming his doormat because I'm letting him interrupt my life so much while I'm pretty sure he's not letting me interrupt his. He's just going on with his own life as usual, I think.


This statement is so true I could have written it. I don't know what I mean to my aspie, I probably already am his doormat and my life has been so interrupted over the last 3 years, I rearrange everything just to spend time with him and he seems to give up nothing. It's like an addiction. My head tells me to walk away, it's too confusing, my heart says no.


Have either of you tried to explain this to your respective BFs? Oftentimes aspies can hurt other people emotionally without even realizing it...