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07 Apr 2009, 9:27 am

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07 Apr 2009, 12:57 pm

whipstitches wrote:
Meeting up with a group or club keeps the conversations focused on a specific topic or area of interest and it also allows you to be an "expert" in an area you are interested in! I belong to a quilting guild! I can go on and on and on about sewing and quilting, show off things I have made and learn from others who also quilt and sew. I am only expected to spend one day a month with these folks and that suits me just fine because once a month is about all of the NT interaction I can handle anyhow!!


Although I too could manage one or two days a month at a specialist hobby group, my fear would always be that someone would decide they wanted to get friendly outside of the group and start proposing we meet and socialize at other times. And then how do you keep turning them down without looking rude and souring the interaction with them that you have at the group? :(

This is what really stops me attempting any socializing at all - because people are never content to just accept that set time that you spend with them. They always start wanting more and more. It's not so much that I couldn't manage to meet people in very small doses, as that I'm afraid it would snowball into more than I could cope with.



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07 Apr 2009, 1:21 pm

Hovis wrote:
...Although I too could manage one or two days a month at a specialist hobby group, my fear would always be that someone would decide they wanted to get friendly outside of the group and start proposing we meet and socialize at other times. And then how do you keep turning them down without looking rude and souring the interaction with them that you have at the group? :(

This is what really stops me attempting any socializing at all - because people are never content to just accept that set time that you spend with them. They always start wanting more and more. It's not so much that I couldn't manage to meet people in very small doses, as that I'm afraid it would snowball into more than I could cope with.

Don't think too far in the future. From my personal experience (your mileage may vary), over the years I've put up so many barriers to keep away unwanted attention, that most people tend to see me as unapproachable. When I do participate in groups of people who share a common interest with me, they still tend to keep their distance (or maybe I'm unconsciously keeping my distance - hard to tell at this point.) On the rare occasion that they do ask me to join them for a drink afterwards - if I accept, they seem genuinely pleased & if I decline, they seem to not take offense. The offline socializing really never becomes too much, because they quickly find that I'm not very at ease outside the context of our shared interests - so they don't ask me to join them very often.

Still, it is rewarding to have the shared interest.

Anyway, I'd say take it one step at a time & don't let worries about what will happen three steps later spoil your chance to share a bit with your fellow human beings. :)


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07 Apr 2009, 1:26 pm

I got something to say about this but don't have time to read all of the posts first so right now I am just putting this here so I will remember to come back and post...

yay! Ok, off to class...stupid school....stupid tests...stupid assignments... lame...

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07 Apr 2009, 1:37 pm

Zeichner! I totally relate to what you are saying! I have the extra added excuse of having a small child at home, so that helps me out a lot. However!! !! Before I had the "small child" excuse I found that it didn't really "chap to many asses" (pardon my French 8) ) if I declined to do something with someone. I have also found that on the occasions that I do take someone up on an outing outside of the designated meeting, that person usually either has a lot of AS traits or they are REALLY fanatical about whatever the topic is. Because of this, on occasion, I actually enjoy having an outing with someone!

There is probably something that could be said about the "self fullfilling prophesies" school of thought right about now...... Know what I mean?

I find most people to be an emotional and intellectual vortex; sucking away all of my activation energy, but it is nice to know that sometimes some people turn out to be "okay". It's what helps me walk out the door everyday! :D



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07 Apr 2009, 1:45 pm

I never even realized that was a problem. People tend to view me on a pedestal, not many realizing I have Asperger's or my odd thought speed. So I come off as some flippant genius that doesn't have time to waste with other people. Then some find out I actually like socializing if someone gives me the time of day, but it takes a long time to get off that damn pedestal. I've developed a real hatred for sycophants.

It's like, hey buddy. I have lots of problems! I'm not really that smart! I'm not talking because I can't think of anything I want to say! I'm actually pretty simple when you get right down to it.



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07 Apr 2009, 1:59 pm

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Neurotypicals are forgetful people that have wildly fluctuating whims. They'll just suddenly decide that they don't want to see someone one day, or aren't sure they want to have the potential to see a person every day. They don't like commitment as much as we do, and their memories are alarmingly patchy. We aspies might be flaky, but we ultimately do remember things. Listening to neurotypicals talk about past instances I remember very clearly has always shocked me with how little they actually remember correctly.

I've had my best friends sidestep me sometimes. It used to bother me, but I've come to terms with their neurotypical brains occasionally wanting space. It's nothing against me.


I agree. Girls especially. They like you until a cooler member joins the pack, and then say 'Meh' and forget you exist.



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08 Apr 2009, 3:46 pm

O i know i'm jaded, i'm extremely biased. Its mostly cuz i've been waiting .. for many years, for just one person to prove me wrong, and i've yet to find said person.

I would very much like to believe that at the end of the day, when push comes to shove people still care about each other as much as they do themselves, but i've yet to meet someone that fits that category.

Feel free to prove me wrong though, you'd be the first person in well over a decade of searching who cares enough about others that you don't put your own interests first.

I've simply yet to meet such a person, but I guess its also hard for me, who really almost never meets anyone, led alone get close enough to assess their moral compass.



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09 Apr 2009, 9:29 am

There's plenty of examples of inherent goodness in people. The fact that any of us exist is a kind of proof. We all had to be brought up and nourished by someone as a child, right? Maybe not all parents are truly selfless about it, but I think most are.

I used to have trouble accepting that people were good at heart too. I'd torment myself trying to be a decent human being, and it hurt every time I saw other people crashing through lives like a bowling ball, not caring who they hit. It didn't help that a lot of my childhood was spent as a social outcast.

My beliefs started to change when I met friends that would spend time with me despite talking to me being a kind of social suicide. There wasn't any benefit to spending time and effort to be around me, they just did it. With reciprocation and time, I started to realize that not everyone was cruel. And that's when I met someone that would change my life forever.

Our meeting was totally by random chance. It's a long story, but it involved a chain letter, a list of names, a few third parties and two lonely people spending their nights online. Here, I met someone who tried all her life to help other people, but was constantly misunderstood and mistrusted. It was so heartbreaking, all I wanted to do was take away some of that pain. I dedicated a lot of time and effort to just being there, giving out whatever advice I could muster and being a comforting voice whenever I could.

I can't say when it was, but as we talked over the years, I started to change. I didn't have such a pessimistic view of the world anymore. So long as someone like her was out there, struggling to help others and do her best, I thought, maybe that's how life's supposed to be. People fight and argue and cry and can be self-centered sometimes, but we wouldn't be doing that if we didn't care. In the end, maybe that girl didn't really need my help. But she saved me. And I'll never forget that.



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09 Apr 2009, 11:58 am

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Over the years, I've trained myself to be pretty darned socially functional (mostly by mimicry, but whatever....it works), even to the point where a good deal of people are surprised to learn I have AS at all. However, it seems that I still occasionally (or a bit more than occasionally) REALLY rub people the wrong way. This, I'm used to....as a kid, people used to make it known to me regularly how annoying I was and how uncomfortable they were around me....and while I was certainly hurt by this, at the very least, I knew who liked me and who didn't. Adults, though, especially when dealing with other adults, are damned dishonest about their feelings. I have enough difficulty reading people as it is, but it really REALLY bothers me when people initially pretend they like me, even pretend to want to be friends with me, then later on start treating me like a leper. I literally can not tell a lot of the time whether or not I should try and pursue friendship with people, because they won't let me know where I stand. As I said, I really did NOT like being told I was annoying when I was younger, but I'm beginning to think it was a whole lot better that way than how it is now, being left to develop false hopes regarding friendships with people and then realising too late that they were just 'tolerating' me in a couple of situations.

For instance, what the HELL is up with people hugging and kissing me (I HATE THIS ANYWAY!! !), exchanging numbers with me, telling me how damn much fun I am....and then ignoring my phone calls, rejecting my friend request on Facebook, and running like hell when they see me in the street? Why can't they just be honest from the get-go?

(Note- I don't actually expect anyone to help me with this....I just need to rant. It's happened several times over the past month or so, and I'm frustrated as all hell!)


On answer, they're phoney butt heads. :P



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10 Apr 2009, 2:53 pm

I actually find aspies to be easier to befriend for some reason. I mean, it's like they, and me, really take friendships seriously. It's like, you guys are awesome or something. I don't know how to explain it right now.


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13 Apr 2009, 10:07 am

zeichner wrote:
From my personal experience (your mileage may vary), over the years I've put up so many barriers to keep away unwanted attention, that most people tend to see me as unapproachable. When I do participate in groups of people who share a common interest with me, they still tend to keep their distance (or maybe I'm unconsciously keeping my distance - hard to tell at this point.)


This is one I've been having a lot of trouble with recently. I know I've inadvertently put up a lot of barriers...yet I can't figure out A. How they manifest themselves; B. Which ones I need to keep internalized as legitimate defense mechanisms; and C. How to take down the nonessential ones.