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Maggiedoll wrote:
Meadow wrote:
I just have a problem with the whole personality disorder because that's considered a mental illness and I feel my problems in this area are more along the lines of physiological or neurologically based with regard to my own personal symptoms. So to me it isn't a mental illness, with autism, but a physiological or neurological one.
That requires an awful lot of hair-splitting so far as mind vs. brain.
No, I think there's a difference - especially in perception. I got no problem copping to an organic brain dysfunction, but I ain't got no mental illness.
Neurological = handicap
Mental Illness = looney
22 Dec 2009, 6:08 pm
Willard wrote:
Maggiedoll wrote:
Meadow wrote:
I just have a problem with the whole personality disorder because that's considered a mental illness and I feel my problems in this area are more along the lines of physiological or neurologically based with regard to my own personal symptoms. So to me it isn't a mental illness, with autism, but a physiological or neurological one.
That requires an awful lot of hair-splitting so far as mind vs. brain.
No, I think there's a difference - especially in perception. I got no problem copping to an organic brain dysfunction, but I ain't got no mental illness.
Neurological = handicap
Mental Illness = looney
In other words, you don't know the difference but will capitalize by making a joke. It's okay if you have nothing better to do than use others to make yourself appear smart or witty.
22 Dec 2009, 8:19 pm
Willard wrote:
Maggiedoll wrote:
Meadow wrote:
I just have a problem with the whole personality disorder because that's considered a mental illness and I feel my problems in this area are more along the lines of physiological or neurologically based with regard to my own personal symptoms. So to me it isn't a mental illness, with autism, but a physiological or neurological one.
That requires an awful lot of hair-splitting so far as mind vs. brain.
No, I think there's a difference - especially in perception. I got no problem copping to an organic brain dysfunction, but I ain't got no mental illness.
Neurological = handicap
Mental Illness = looney
What makes AS an "organic brain dysfunction" while other disorders that are organic and rooted in physiology are mental illnesses? Schizophrenia is organic, bipolar is organic.. When someone thinks "loony" they're usually thinking of schizophrenia or bipolar, and those are both rooted in biology, not psychology. People with those disorders have neurological differences that cause those problems. You can't just talk-therapy your way out of them, because their basis is biological, not psychological. So where is the distinction? A lot of this seems like a desire not to be categorized with the "crazies." But the "crazies" have neurological differences that cause those disorders too.
22 Dec 2009, 8:26 pm
Captain_Kirk wrote:
Dude, look. I fit AS, schizoid, aviodant personality disorder...you understand what I'm saying here? I technically fit many different diagnoses very very well. Having an exact diagnosis isn't important. You are just going to drive yourself crazy with all that, I know I did. The more important question is, "Do you know who you are?" If you can answer that, then it doesn't matter what your diagnosis is. As long as you like who you are, that's all that matters. There is my two cents, although I only get paid a penny for my thoughts. Man, I'm losing money on this site...
I agree with Captain Kirk.
The diagnosis criteria will change every few years - I won't.
22 Dec 2009, 8:33 pm
Maggiedoll wrote:
Willard wrote:
Maggiedoll wrote:
Meadow wrote:
I just have a problem with the whole personality disorder because that's considered a mental illness and I feel my problems in this area are more along the lines of physiological or neurologically based with regard to my own personal symptoms. So to me it isn't a mental illness, with autism, but a physiological or neurological one.
That requires an awful lot of hair-splitting so far as mind vs. brain.
No, I think there's a difference - especially in perception. I got no problem copping to an organic brain dysfunction, but I ain't got no mental illness.
Neurological = handicap
Mental Illness = looney
What makes AS an "organic brain dysfunction" while other disorders that are organic and rooted in physiology are mental illnesses? Schizophrenia is organic, bipolar is organic.. When someone thinks "loony" they're usually thinking of schizophrenia or bipolar, and those are both rooted in biology, not psychology. People with those disorders have neurological differences that cause those problems. You can't just talk-therapy your way out of them, because their basis is biological, not psychological. So where is the distinction? A lot of this seems like a desire not to be categorized with the "crazies." But the "crazies" have neurological differences that cause those disorders too.
For me there is a distinction because I don't have these biology-based illnesses that you've listed. The psychological problems that I have are rooted with environmental causes and the neurological problems with autism therefore are easier that way for me to recognize or distinguish between. When I was diagnosed at fourteen with Schizoaffective Personality it was a misdiagnosis for the Autism in which they hadn't a clue.
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22 Dec 2009, 10:38 pm
Maggiedoll wrote:
they're usually thinking of schizophrenia or bipolar, and those are both rooted in biology, not psychology. People with those disorders have neurological differences that cause those problems.
I have never seen the remotest evidence for this. I personally know someone Dx'd as schizophrenic and his condition traces back to a specific incident and was in no way biological in origin.
An illness caused by an outside force such as a bacterium is not the same as a hereditary disease. Pointless point, since both are still conditions that require solutions.
Sounds to me like you're just trying to talk-therapy your way into being right, in a discussion that is ultimately semantic in nature (the point of my initial remark, Meadow). I concede the issue and withdraw. Pedants taking irrelevancies too seriously are how wars get started.
22 Dec 2009, 10:43 pm
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