Idea which may or intrigue Aspies and NTs
I think I have an idea as to how to bridge our communication barriers between each other. First, I think it is true that we do better with the written word than the spoken word. We have difficulty thinking in the NT way. Guess what? NTs have major problems thinking in our way. The problem is when we get NTs to think in depth like can naturaly can I think it drains them just like when they want us to communicate and think in their way. Basically we are expecting them to communicate in the aspie way. They are expecting us to communicate in the NT way.
I have an idea for what an NT can do as a major project. I believe whichever NT does this can make some money from this. Janissy has chosen to step into our world considerably and has learned more about herself as well. Here is my proposal as to what she or any NT can do. They can write a detailed instruction manual in concrete and literal terms as a book. Maybe the NT person can charge 3.99 if it's a softcover or 10.99 if it's a hardcover or something to that effect.
They can write on and off and take as long as they wish because I know NTs have busy lives and they have to do other things. That's fine. The NT person can have aspies help them write it. Personally, I think Janissy would be perfect for writing this instruction book. Greentea, you could help co-write it as well and make some money as well. Janissy, you probably could make quite a bit of money from this. This book can cover a wide range of things in a good amount of depth. In the distant future, all an NT has to do when faced with an aspergers person asking questions is be like Aunt B in the Andy Griffith show, snap their fingers, and point them to the book and if the answer is not on the book point them to wrongplanet.
Oh my. That is a pretty tall order. While I am flattered you think I am up to the task, I don't know if I actually am. It's such a huge difference between writing posts and writing a whole book. I will ponder this.
I suppose a first step would be for me to go through the archives and find the many, many miscommunication threads looking for themes. Blessedly, Greentea stickied the NT/AS Hotline thread which has some pretty extensive material. It's a pretty big undertaking though.
Too much coffee. Now I'm starting to think about this seriously. Some possible chapters:
Social Rituals- for example, what exactly are you supposed to say when somebody says "what's up?"
Vague Phrase Translation- What did he mean when he said "see you later?" how much later? and other vague phrases translated
Relationships (which really is its own book)
and others. Whew! Put down the coffee.
Last edited by Janissy on 24 Mar 2010, 4:09 pm, edited 2 times in total.
I think it's do-able in theory. It's just an enormous task. Although everybody is an individual and has their own individual take on things, certain miscommunication themes do seem to pop up over and over again.
I'd attempt to read it. I don't read every book out there. Some get so boring that I can only manage a few chapters. And I think that even reading how an NT thinks won't make it any easier for me to communicate. It just gets better with practice.
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I'm currently working on something somewhat similar... a question/answer type of thing-a question of the week for NTs to answer, and a question of the week for us to answer for them (or question of the month even). But the problem is, while people think it's a great idea and all, I can't get anyone to participate, or enough responses for it to be worth putting together at the moment... because people just like to talk about how great it is, but won't participate, lol.
My idea would be an attempt to bridge the gap in communication to some extent...
I've thought about a manual of sorts, which, while it would be loads of fun to try... the problem again, comes into play with people actually sitting down and responding, or actually even coming up with questions to try to get answers to.
There is no concrete answer. With my project, I would like to have 10-20 answers per question... the ones that are most commonly (out of the responses) said (summed up)... and hopefully, that would be a good enough sample. I'm not sure what I will do if I get a lot more than that-well, ones that are just completely different from that I mean... but anyway.
Wonderful idea, but I'm afraid you may run into the same problem I have with mine that I've tried to spark up many many times... just nobody is interested in being a part of it-they just want the results.
The other problem seems to be... that people want to question things all day long, but really don't want the answers, or even if they have the answers, still cannot comprehend it in either direction, so the motivation seems to be lacking.
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My idea would be an attempt to bridge the gap in communication to some extent...
I've thought about a manual of sorts, which, while it would be loads of fun to try... the problem again, comes into play with people actually sitting down and responding, or actually even coming up with questions to try to get answers to.
There is no concrete answer. With my project, I would like to have 10-20 answers per question... the ones that are most commonly (out of the responses) said (summed up)... and hopefully, that would be a good enough sample. I'm not sure what I will do if I get a lot more than that-well, ones that are just completely different from that I mean... but anyway.
Wonderful idea, but I'm afraid you may run into the same problem I have with mine that I've tried to spark up many many times... just nobody is interested in being a part of it-they just want the results.
The other problem seems to be... that people want to question things all day long, but really don't want the answers, or even if they have the answers, still cannot comprehend it in either direction, so the motivation seems to be lacking.
You're right. There will be problems. I say it's worth a shot. It's better then doing nothing am I correct? I can say this. There really is no perfect answer but maybe we can get close to it though.
I may have a theory to this because I asked the same question to multiple people. Maybe our problem is that we're trying to find a ultimate, single unifying answer. What if there are multiple answers to the same question and multiple paths to what is trying to be achieved. What if the path we take depends on different situations? In additional, what if NT is too blanket and too general? What if there are multiple types of NTs and it is extremely diverse? What if just like if you meet one aspie you've only met one? What if it applies to NTs as well? What if you meet one NT you've only met one NT? My father, who is an NT himself, has said one of the things we're doing wrong is we're lumping non-ASDs into one big monolitihic entity. Maybe the human race is much more diverse than we truly think it is.
Forgive me if I misunderstand, but are you suggesting NTs don't think in depth? Simply because they can function in an NT society without having to think about in consciously does not mean they don't think in depth or get utterly drained when they do. While they may not have to think deeply about ordinary communication and interaction, they certainly think deeply about other things. (I know my NT husband does not think or feel as deeply as I do, but he certainly can think deeply without effort when he wants to.)
Forgive me if I misunderstand, but are you suggesting NTs don't think in depth? Simply because they can function in an NT society without having to think about in consciously does not mean they don't think in depth or get utterly drained when they do. While they may not have to think deeply about ordinary communication and interaction, they certainly think deeply about other things. (I know my NT husband does not think or feel as deeply as I do, but he certainly can think deeply without effort when he wants to.)
I see I caught your attention. It's possible I could be wrong. It is just a guess I put out there. That's how I personally do things. I put out stuff out there and see what sticks. This is how I can obtain feedback. NTs may be able to think deeply at level 10 but aspies maybe aspies can go to level 30. Maybe some aspies have problems with breadth thinking. I do not know. Since, I've caught your attention I ask what would be the correct answer as to why NTs would be utterly drained after talking to an aspie. Is this always the case? Again, I do not know. Could it be a particular type of NT to a particular type Aspie? In fact, can another NT utterly drain another NT?
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Perhaps in flow chart format. When I choose a response to a person I do have a semi-conscious flow chart in my head. It is an awfully big thing, though.
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