'Man in God's Image'

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Your consciousness cannot be scanned by another party. In fact you have no proof that anyone beside yourself is conscious. For all you know the rest of us can be organic machines.

ruveyn

The trouble is that even on the premise that we're all simply organic machines, our experience of 'self' is absurd - its the part that makes no sense in a purely materialistic model. If an animal were not to have that and simply play by the cost/benefit economics of eugentics, natural selection, survivalism, it wouldn't need a sense of 'self' at all, in fact it would be far more efficient without that kind of existential angst to sort through as things like long term depression just wouldn't have a real existence - they'd have no practicality, perhaps an organism could still have chronic fatigue or poor functioning from low serotonin but that's it. If evolution were to go forward, the creature without a seat of consciousness might perhaps be far superior just because it doesn't have so many brain resources dedicated to such an absolutely useless function as hope, personality, existential desire (aside from food, water, sex, and aggression), something that was fully subconscious in that regard would be far closer to a living computer and do far more without the brands of over-laborious thinking that we do. Being 'human' in that sense is the ultimate waste and absurdity - 'if' there's no God. If there is though, we're talking about a whole other ball game.

Those are pretty bold words coming from an organic machine.

I'm not arguing against quantum mechanics or quantum electrodynamics, however your previous statement was regarding the lack of ability of the human mind to fully comprehend God as evidence against God. That is incorrect. Our ability to comprehend things, whether completely or partially does not effect their veracity even one iota.

Not to mention all the mental energy we are squandering right now discussing a phrase in a book that some of us consider to be a fairy tale. We would also do better to dismiss concepts like mother, father, brother and sister because it wouldn't matter where other animals that are competing with us for food and shelter came from. Then there is this silly notion we have of putting value on aesthetics: a wooden spoon in every bit as efficient as silver, and why do we bother dying thread and weaving it into patterns when it doesn't keep us any warmer?

How did such a foolish wasteful creature come to dominate this planet?

Well, people considering a book to be a fairy tale would also be a waste of mental resources. All that matter in life, by implication of above dialogue, would be food and reproduction. So, for an evolutionist, why should it matter what Christians or anyone else think? Evolutionists shouldn't even learn language since that also is a waste of mental resources, but instead they should just be grunting, raping, killing, and eating just like their primitive cavemen do.

Evolution is a process, what you're describing is hedonism without planning ahead.

But sure, I'll follow your general example, through the application of those evil principles the evolutionists use (they call them sciences), they made supercrops that saved millions of lives (yes, millions), and found amazing ways to either conjure away barrenness in women (They call it IVF), or decide to have intercourse with no consequence of birth (called contraception by their devil tongues). They only did this for their own selfish benefit, that of everyone around them and the population of the planet, and didn't do anything for god.

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Foolish by human standards. Nature only "cares" about reproductive success.

ruveyn

Creationists also have given the world a few useful things, such as the fields of chemistry (Thank you Robert Boyle and John Dalton), genetics (thank you Gregor Mendel), Physics (thank you Sir Newton), rocketry (thank you Werner Von Braun), and they did this for reasons such as those outlined in this prayer,

Is there planning involved in evolution? This is the first I have heard of it. Please explain. Who is doing the planning?

Anyway, to get back on topic: we were discussing consciousness and whether or not that could be considered to be evidence (or at least an indication) of the existence of a human spirit. If a human spirit does exist it would also include will, without which, all of our planning would be in vain.