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04 Jul 2010, 12:20 am

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It's associated with many horrific abuse and near-rape memories.


In the Netherlands (where I live) an unwanted French kiss is equal to a rape and verdicted that way. It is considered as sexual penetration.

My first French kiss was a long while ago. She wanted to French me and I was curious. She might be in love with me, but I was not in love with her. But I allowed it because I was very curious. It was awkward because we barely could feel each other's tongue. I didn't like the taste.

Later on I had French kisses with prostitutes and escorts because I find it very difficult to find a woman (I am 43 years old). The prostitute didn't want to go further than hitting the tongue tips. That isn't called French kissing. Women shouldn't French kiss me, if they don't like it.

The last one was a terrific one (with an escort girl). She was very good and since then I love French kissing. She did it fanatically and pretty deep filling my mouth with her tongue. Since I loved it, I did it for about half an hour with some interruptions of a few seconds.

Now it is for sure, I love to do it!



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04 Jul 2010, 3:29 am

Hasn't happened yet. :cry:



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04 Jul 2010, 3:34 am

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People should have sex/first kiss young because 'late starters' suffer from developmental inhibition (cause/effect direction unclear).


Bit late for me, then! Haven't done either yet.



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04 Jul 2010, 9:28 am

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In the Netherlands (where I live) an unwanted French kiss is equal to a rape and verdicted that way. It is considered as sexual penetration.


That's a really odd law, but then again,some of the laws in the US probably seem strange to other countries. Still, I don't know how it could be possible to force a woman to french kiss you. I did it in my 20's with my then girlfriend and we were constantly dealing with accidental bites. If someone I didn't like tried to forcibly french kiss me they would lose their tongue.

Like you, I did it out of curiosity, and then repeated it because that's what she wanted. We were all down each others throats, but I can't imagine how that could be considered sex. I didn't even enjoy it because it turns out that I'm asexual - something I didn't know at the time.



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04 Jul 2010, 9:47 am

My first kiss was when I was really young, I have already mentioned it at such a young age but yea, it was beautiful and wasn't awkward at all. :)


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04 Jul 2010, 10:11 am

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In the Netherlands (where I live) an unwanted French kiss is equal to a rape and verdicted that way. It is considered as sexual penetration.


That's a really odd law, but then again,some of the laws in the US probably seem strange to other countries. Still, I don't know how it could be possible to force a woman to french kiss you. I did it in my 20's with my then girlfriend and we were constantly dealing with accidental bites. If someone I didn't like tried to forcibly french kiss me they would lose their tongue.

Well... it is about sexual penetration. The law doesn't specify what thing you use to penetrate, nor does it specify what you try to penetrate. If it the penetration is sexual and not wanted by the person whom you penetrated, it is rape. In case of French kiss you penetrate the moth of the other with your tongue.

I have read something a while ago that a woman was raped by French kissing. That woman bit a piece of the tongue of the rapist. You must be very strong and have very sharp teeth to bite off a piece of someone else's tongue. Earlier ago I read a man being arrested because he French kissed another man, although the other man didn't want that. The reason to arrest him was not the gayness, but the fact that he Frenched the other man against his will.

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Like you, I did it out of curiosity, and then repeated it because that's what she wanted. We were all down each others throats, but I can't imagine how that could be considered sex. I didn't even enjoy it because it turns out that I'm asexual - something I didn't know at the time.

Opposite to me. When I Frenched after the first time (many years ago) she said that I didn't stick out her tongue far enough. I thought the same about her. Why don't you stick the tongue out far enough, I want to feel it. But I don't because I was tongue tied and 6 years ago I got a surgery where the tongue tie was removed. Since then I got fascinated about Frenching, and about my own tongue which seemed to be quite long since then. Sometimes I wanted to French kiss a copy of mine, lol.



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04 Jul 2010, 10:33 am

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Well... it is about sexual penetration. The law doesn't specify what thing you use to penetrate, nor does it specify what you try to penetrate. If it the penetration is sexual and not wanted by the person whom you penetrated, it is rape. In case of French kiss you penetrate the moth of the other with your tongue.


In the US, even if you finger a girl it isn't called rape. Its called sodomy. Its illegal to do it without the girl's consent, but its not called rape. The penalties are far less severe AFAIK.

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Opposite to me. When I Frenched after the first time (many years ago) she said that I didn't stick out her tongue far enough. I thought the same about her. Why don't you stick the tongue out far enough, I want to feel it. But I don't because I was tongue tied and 6 years ago I got a surgery where the tongue tie was removed. Since then I got fascinated about Frenching, and about my own tongue which seemed to be quite long since then. Sometimes I wanted to French kiss a copy of mine, lol.


I think that is awful that you were tongue tied for most of your life. Speaking must have been very difficult for you. No wonder why you have a fascination with tongues and french kissing,

I tried all different ways with my GF and I could never actually enjoy it. We did her on top, me on top, both sides and swirling round and round. I almost wish I had never started it, but I was curious. I've never french kissed another person since I broke up with her. I haven't really even regular kissed anyone since then except for a few times when it wasn't voluntary.



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04 Jul 2010, 1:05 pm

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Opposite to me. When I Frenched after the first time (many years ago) she said that I didn't stick out her tongue far enough. I thought the same about her. Why don't you stick the tongue out far enough, I want to feel it. But I don't because I was tongue tied and 6 years ago I got a surgery where the tongue tie was removed. Since then I got fascinated about Frenching, and about my own tongue which seemed to be quite long since then. Sometimes I wanted to French kiss a copy of mine, lol.


I think that is awful that you were tongue tied for most of your life. Speaking must have been very difficult for you. No wonder why you have a fascination with tongues and french kissing,

I had no speaking problems. But I had a different pronunciation of r and s in my native tongue Dutch. The r was uvular (in my region it was thrilled, vibrating tongue tip) and the s was laminal (instead of apical), meaning that my s sounds exactly as the American women pronounce it, much like a snake. Sometimes people say Hanssssss to me. I tried to learn the thrilled (alveolar) r when I was 14. Since the surgery the thrilled r improved tremendously. Only l is a bit lenghty, longer since the operation since I have to relearn to control my tongue. Actually, I am also a language freak, so I also posted in the subforum about languages.

Yes, I have a slight tongue fetish. And I like to get sensory signals from my tongue. That means that I like eating and licking. I like to lick my saucer clean (but in my country that is rude unless there is no-one around), I like to stick out my tongue to eat soft-ice. I like to lick my hands when they are dirty (because of eating chips or similar). I like to lick tools that I used for cooking like spoons and the like. I never lick knives, because I would damage my tongue. And to this list, French kissing can be added. I get aroused when I get Frenched in a fanatic way when my tongue is rubbed harshly by the tongue of the girl I am kissing.



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04 Jul 2010, 1:16 pm

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I have read something a while ago that a woman was raped by French kissing. That woman bit a piece of the tongue of the rapist. You must be very strong and have very sharp teeth to bite off a piece of someone else's tongue. Earlier ago I read a man being arrested because he French kissed another man, although the other man didn't want that. The reason to arrest him was not the gayness, but the fact that he Frenched the other man against his will.


I heard that they wer at a bar/club & the woman was drunk & arguing with her husband/BF because she wanted a kid & hadn't gotten pregnant. The guy apologized or something & when he thought they had made up & tried to french her; she bit his tongue off. I think it may of been in Europe or Australia but I'm not certain. Said something about possibly charging the women but it didn't say anything about charging the guy


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06 Jul 2010, 7:02 am

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17. i thought it was gross


LOL. Mine was just on my 16th birthday. I thought it was kinda disguisting. And weird.



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06 Jul 2010, 7:15 am

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I also kept my eyes open. I'm not sure if this is typical of guys or if I am the only one who does it, but the way I see it is this: if my eyes are closed, how can I see what I am doing?


I'm not sure how typical it is to keep eyes open but I would imagine lots of people on the AS spectrum would close their eyes cuz of our issues with making eye contact.


But my girlfriend closes her eyes when she kisses, therefore there's no eye contact lol. I usually just focus on her nose. I still put just as much effort into the kiss, but the one time I kissed with my eyes closed it just felt awkward...

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People should have sex/first kiss young because 'late starters' suffer from developmental inhibition (cause/effect direction unclear).


Yeah, this is definitely true. Although my current girl thinks I'm great at sex, I'm thinking it's really because she's 19 and I'm well endowed. I think I'm somewhere around where most 19 year olds are in terms of sexual experience.


I can see 19. 19 isn't bad. But 12, 13 and 14 year olds shouldn't be sleeping around. I agree with Chef from South Park, when he says "17 — you're ready".


I think there's waaay to much emphases & pressure on things like that. Lots of girls are sleeping around by the time their 13 simply because their friends are & it makes em popular. I think people should be able to experience things like sex, kissing, romance ect naturally instead of having all that pressure on em from society. So what if never had a girlfriend till I was 20 & I wasn't interested in relationships before that 8) I don't feel I've missed out on anything except a lot of drama. High-school romances generally don't last & cause lots of heartache. The reason "late starters" suffer from developmental inhibition is because of society's pressure & attitude. The problem is society


I agree on that as well. Society has become one big thorn in the pressures of high schoolers. It's sad as well.


My girlfriend has sex for her first time when she was 14. I do think that's a little early, but once you're a sophomore or junior in high school then it should be okay as long as you know that consequences of those actions.




No, I think that is still too young. You usually think your in love with someone and you make a terrible mistake. I'm waiting until I'm married. If someone doesn't want to wait, I would break up with them and find someone worth waiting for. People around my age are pregnant and getting into fights at school. People in GRADE NINE get pregnant and miss 5 months of school! You should wait until your at least out of high school to have sex. Better yet, wait until you're married. And I agree with Nick about the society. It's a shame.



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06 Jul 2010, 7:30 am

Sex ages topic

I find it funny when people get all stressed out about teenagers having sex. In most of Europe, the age of consent is actually 15 or under. I believe Spain has one of the lowest at 13.

A lot of people, especially the older generation, seem to be in this bubble where the mere thought of anyone having sex before the age of 18 is evil, but the majority of the planet don't seem to care, it's only in a few countries like the US and UK where people think it's some massive deal if teenagers have sex.

Anyway, dosen't affect me anymore since I'm 16 now. Just gotta find someone to actually do it with. :lol:



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06 Jul 2010, 8:48 am

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Sex ages topic

I find it funny when people get all stressed out about teenagers having sex. In most of Europe, the age of consent is actually 15 or under. I believe Spain has one of the lowest at 13.

A lot of people, especially the older generation, seem to be in this bubble where the mere thought of anyone having sex before the age of 18 is evil, but the majority of the planet don't seem to care, it's only in a few countries like the US and UK where people think it's some massive deal if teenagers have sex.

Anyway, dosen't affect me anymore since I'm 16 now. Just gotta find someone to actually do it with. :lol:


In Florida, its based on age differential. So a 15 year old and a 13 year old is OK, but a 60 year old and a 13 year old is not. In either case, I am totally against statutory rape laws. It should be solely based on whether or not the younger person knew exactly what they were doing and the consequences of that act. In most cases that I have seen, charges are only brought if the parents of the girl object. In other words, its a "Daddy's little girl" law. Still, a good many of the cases recently have been with older women and 14 year old boys. So times are changing.



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06 Jul 2010, 8:49 am

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I find it funny when people get all stressed out about teenagers having sex. In most of Europe, the age of consent is actually 15 or under. I believe Spain has one of the lowest at 13.

A lot of people, especially the older generation, seem to be in this bubble where the mere thought of anyone having sex before the age of 18 is evil, but the majority of the planet don't seem to care, it's only in a few countries like the US and UK where people think it's some massive deal if teenagers have sex.

Anyway, dosen't affect me anymore since I'm 16 now. Just gotta find someone to actually do it with. :lol:


In Florida, its based on age differential. So a 15 year old and a 13 year old is OK, but a 60 year old and a 13 year old is not. In either case, I am totally against statutory rape laws. It should be solely based on whether or not the younger person knew exactly what they were doing and the consequences of that act. In most cases that I have seen, charges are only brought if the parents of the girl object. In other words, its a "Daddy's little girl" law. Still, a good many of the cases recently have been with older women and 14 year old boys. So times are changing.


See, now that's a much more sensible way of doing things. They need to adopt a similar policy here in the UK, because underage sex happens whether the adults like it or not, and human nature isn't going to change because of laws.

Also, the UK law is stupid, in that it's always the guy who's commited an offense and taken advantage of the girl, even if the girl is older or pressured the guy into doing it or whatever.



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06 Jul 2010, 9:51 am

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See, now that's a much more sensible way of doing things. They need to adopt a similar policy here in the UK, because underage sex happens whether the adults like it or not, and human nature isn't going to change because of laws.


It really all boils down to exactly what they plan to do to a 15 year old who has sex with a 13 year old. Here is Florida, a 15 year old has a "Get out of jail free" card for most crimes. Even for some violent crimes, its rare that underage criminals are incarcerated beyond their 18th birthday. For non-violent crimes, probation or community service is quite common.



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06 Jul 2010, 6:17 pm

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how was your first kiss? How did you felt? How old where you?


mine was boring regular kiss on the lips she kissed me and I didn't feel anything I was a few months ago and i was hoping for something with feeling.