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liloleme
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24 May 2010, 2:14 pm

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24 May 2010, 2:18 pm

I've been waiting for this day. :)


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24 May 2010, 2:47 pm

Me too...maybe he'll get measles :lol:



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24 May 2010, 3:14 pm

liloleme wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100524/ap_on_sc/eu_britain_autism_doctor

Its about time!


Even if there was conclusive evidence that certain vaccines caused autism in some individuals, I think the number of people that would die or be left severely debilitated from the viruses the vaccinations protect against, would be much greater than those who would develop autism.

Parents blame vaccines they first note symptoms after the child is vaccinated. But that symptoms of autism would be apparent any sooner is questionable. Many parents state that their child developed rapidly and exceeded the developmental level of other children their age, and then regressed after vaccination, but the fact that the child was developing at an accelerated pace is not normal in itself and would hint at an underlying mechanism that is not present in most people. I believe there have actually been certain genes linked to autism like disorders which have this type of progression pattern.

But people like the vaccine theory because it is easy. Vaccines are mysterious and misunderstood to most people and it's very easy to say "this happened, and then this happened" "They were vaccinated, and THEN they started acting like this" thus in their mind it is a direct cause and effect when there is still a high chance it may have been coincidence simply because of the time frame of vaccinations and the time frame of neurological development of babies.

Being so insistent that it is vaccines in spite of strong data on the matter puts one at risk for overlooking what might be the real cause, if it is not vaccines.

Maybe it is genetics. Possibly a metabolic disorder.
Maybe it's an autoimmune response to a common bacteria or virus that goes unnotices.
Maybe it's pestacides.
Maybe it's plastics or other synthetic materials.

But my bet is on genetics.



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24 May 2010, 3:24 pm

Im just glad that this man is being held accountable for causing hysteria among parents with children who have Autism. Not to mention, being held accountable for the children who developed the diseases that are prevented by the MMR. Some children died, this should not be ignored! Also, Im glad that they published the fact that he was paid to propagate this crap by the parents who wanted to get money because they believed their children were damaged by vaccines. Its amazing that anyone would believe this crap after looking at the facts....taking blood from a few kids in a back yard and then making this conclusion??? insane!! !



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24 May 2010, 3:29 pm

Awesome. I also love the rain correlation study. Maybe this guy should've looked at his stars more closely! :wink:


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24 May 2010, 6:26 pm

Chronos wrote:
But people like the vaccine theory because it is easy.


I agree that the timing of the first observable symptoms with the first round of vaccinations is purely coincidental -- a lot of things are happening in a child's life at that particular moment in time, after all -- but I don't think it's quite as simple as the vaccinations just being easy to blame. On some level, I think people like the vaccine theory because if vaccines caused their child's problems, then there is nothing wrong with them, personally. It's not their parenting skills (which, of course, it isn't, but this was a major theory and still is in some circles). There's nothing lurking in their genetics that might come out in other children in the family. There's nothing in their own behavior. It's just the vaccines, something that was foisted upon them from outside. If it's coming from outside, it can be fought and eliminated. If, on the other hand, it's something in their own genetics that is causing the issue, where do they focus their anger. It takes a while and a lot of evidence and persuasion to make people give up the security of having an outside enemy to fight.



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25 May 2010, 9:17 am

I keep looking for the "like" button and then realize I'm not on facebook. But still-- *like*

What rain correlation study? I must know! 8O



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25 May 2010, 9:18 am

nice



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25 May 2010, 6:28 pm

Unfortunately, the Jenny McCarthy quote in the article makes it clear why the myth won't go away with the ruling. There are people who really believe this is all spawned by the vaccine manufacturers trying to discredit an enemy ... good grief.

I agree with those who say latching onto the vaccine theory is "easy" for some parents. And 3rd party. People seem to like answers and someone to blame, even if that answer is wrong and the person (or, in this case, industry) blamed is innocent. Getting to the real answers is so much much harder, and they don't exist at this moment, at least not completely enough to explain all cases and all variations.


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25 May 2010, 11:10 pm

Shared on Facebook.
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26 May 2010, 9:11 am

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His study in the medical journal Lancet was widely discredited, however, after Britain's medical regulator found it did not meet ethical standards; other studies found no link; and a British journalist revealed Wakefield had been paid by lawyers of parents who suspected their children were harmed by the vaccine.


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28 May 2010, 2:54 pm

Damn him!

He's harmed legitimate investigation into the effects that vaccines can have on some people.

I believe that some people are genetically predisposed to being sensitive to things like vaccines--that their bodies simply
cannot process them ever or, in some cases, until their immune systems mature.

Now, people are just going to write off exploring the hypothesis further.

I want to see more research in the area, and a screening process to administer vaccinations on individual schedules, not a one-size-fits-all approach.

Vaccines can harm people! Some people do not have the ability to detoxify the preservatives and this can make them sick. If an infant/child is autistic and they have a delicate/malfunctioning immune system/missing enzyme/insert another physiological issue, it's going to make them sick, thus worsening their symptoms.

Just because Wakefield conducted illegitamate "research" doesn't mean we should throw out the possibility that there is a connection between illness/increased risk for biological damage to some members of the population. There are other medical professionals out there treating people, and doing research based on this premise.

I don't think vaccines cause autism, but I do hypothesize that they can increase symtoms and cause actual impairment if you have the right set of genes/biology. In other words, I think it can make your autism worse in some cases. I think that all those people who say they've recovered their children actually did just that. Recovered from autism? No. Recovered from the damage done by the vaccines and other factors (such as diet, toxic exposure, etc... that most people do when they embark on recovering their children from autism), yes. I now believe that their children still have autism, but it's probably mild. Will this be the case for every autistic person. No, I don't think so.

--It's a very confusing, emotional and touchy subject. I know. I just want to say that I don't think it's right. "Conquering autism" and all that. HOWEVER, people are finding improvement and the scientific community should seriously take a look at that. I do think that you can treat autism bio-medically, not to be rid of it, but to calm the nervous system naturally, and aid other sensitivity issues.

There is still so much to learn about the immune system! We don't even fully understand allergies/ food intolerances...which involve the immune system but exactly how, we don't know.


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28 May 2010, 3:15 pm

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28 May 2010, 3:38 pm

I coudn't have said it better Tenzinsmom. If it is not vaccinations, I want to know what is causing the huge increases in autism, adhd, food allergies, asthma, dyslexia. It seems like I meet people every week that their children have one or the other of these issues. Has it always been this way? I don't know, but I think more research needs to be done.

I strongly believe that there is a genetic component to it, but I still have unanswered questions in my mind........