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RICKY5
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11 Jun 2010, 11:06 pm

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Get the guns away from people. I'm also quite sure that a burglar holding a gun would prefer not to fire a gun against an unarmed houseowner. He is in the house, after all, "just" to rob. If he meets an armed man, however, then the chance for the houseowner to get away alive is minimal. Killing a robber in order to protect one's silverware or flatscreen-tv is so not worth it.


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12 Jun 2010, 1:18 am

Jaydee wrote:
I'm also quite sure that a burglar holding a gun would prefer not to fire a gun against an unarmed houseowner. He is in the house, after all, "just" to rob. If he meets an armed man, however, then the chance for the houseowner to get away alive is minimal. Killing a robber in order to protect one's silverware or flatscreen-tv is so not worth it.

Ummm, maybe there is a cultural difference between the USA and wherever you are from, but armed burglars here tend to be very violent and if you have time to react, the situation usually has a happier ending if the victim can grab a gun. You cannot count on the goodwill of criminals.


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12 Jun 2010, 4:56 am

RICKY5 wrote:
MotherKnowsBest wrote:
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Jaydee wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
Another example of how well "gun-free" zones work. :roll:
The "gun-free" zones (countries with strict firearms regulations) sure work quite a lot better than the places where guns can be bought by every Tom, Dick or Harry at the nearest mall. Tragic incidents like this will happen, but do not say that gun regulations do not work, because they do.



No, they do not work. There is no logical way for them to work.
What do they accomplish? Making something illegal does not make it impossible to obtain.
We’re not talking about taking things from babies in a playpen. You can’t keep people from getting what they want if they want it bad enough. A classic example would be the War on Drugs, what a joke!
About all you get is that the law abiding citizens, in fear of the law, are disarmed and unable to protect themselves against deadly force which gives the criminal element a target rich environment to operate generally un-opposed.
Personally, I feel much safer in a state where I’m lawfully permitted to carry a concealed handgun. This at least gives me fighting chance as long as I have a chance to react.


Of course they don't. The fact that the UK has some of the tightest gun laws in the world and also one of the lowest gun death rates in the world is mere coincidence.


The UK also has some ridiculous assaults, violent crime, and a creeping police state...


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Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.
Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... a-U-S.html



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12 Jun 2010, 6:59 am

RICKY5 wrote:
MotherKnowsBest wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Jaydee wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
Another example of how well "gun-free" zones work. :roll:
The "gun-free" zones (countries with strict firearms regulations) sure work quite a lot better than the places where guns can be bought by every Tom, Dick or Harry at the nearest mall. Tragic incidents like this will happen, but do not say that gun regulations do not work, because they do.



No, they do not work. There is no logical way for them to work.
What do they accomplish? Making something illegal does not make it impossible to obtain.
We’re not talking about taking things from babies in a playpen. You can’t keep people from getting what they want if they want it bad enough. A classic example would be the War on Drugs, what a joke!
About all you get is that the law abiding citizens, in fear of the law, are disarmed and unable to protect themselves against deadly force which gives the criminal element a target rich environment to operate generally un-opposed.
Personally, I feel much safer in a state where I’m lawfully permitted to carry a concealed handgun. This at least gives me fighting chance as long as I have a chance to react.


Of course they don't. The fact that the UK has some of the tightest gun laws in the world and also one of the lowest gun death rates in the world is mere coincidence.


The UK also has some ridiculous assaults, violent crime, and a creeping police state...


A ridiculously inefficient police state...


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