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Why is atheism better than theism?
Atheism rejects the existence of a moral tyrant, as many theistic systems have. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Atheism promotes real human freedom. 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
Atheism reduces the necessary entities that one must hold due to the advances of science. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Most theistic ideas are such nonsense as to be unworthy of our trust. 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
There is very lacking proof for theism of any sort. 18%  18%  [ 3 ]
Other 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
All of the above 18%  18%  [ 3 ]
GOD IS A LIE!! ! 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Let me see the results 24%  24%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 17

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02 Jun 2010, 10:55 pm

This question is to address the underpinnings of atheism, so that we may better understand its truth, and STRIDENTLY oppose theism.

There are multiple reasons that come to mind on this issue:
1) Atheism rejects the existence of a moral tyrant, as many theistic systems have.
2) Atheism promotes real human freedom.
3) Atheism reduces the necessary entities that one must hold due to the advances of science.
4) Most theistic ideas are such nonsense as to be unworthy of our trust.
5) There is very lacking proof for theism of any sort.

What are your ideas?

Just remember, who is the person you can expect to STRIDENTLY assert the power of the atheistic case, and bring both REASON and TRUTH to the matter for good? I think by reading this, you know the answer, and it isn't a Marxist, a person who thinks that ET is god, or any other, but rather an option far more glorious.
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02 Jun 2010, 11:09 pm

1) Atheism rejects the existence of a moral tyrant, as many theistic systems have.
Guilty, however there are religious beliefs (often more spiritual in nature) that do not use a moral tyrant.

2) Atheism promotes real human freedom.
Not necessarily Atheism promotes freedom from a moral tyrant, not from a political one.

3) Atheism reduces the necessary entities that one must hold due to the advances of science.
Atheism denies the existence of any entities. Science is using the scientific method. Until then it remains theory.

4) Most theistic ideas are such nonsense as to be unworthy of our trust.
Religion is swamped in nonsense. However there is quite a few golden eggs hidden with valuable knowledge.

5) There is very lacking proof for theism of any sort.
Incorrect there is only lacking proof from a materialism perspective which denies spiritual existence.



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02 Jun 2010, 11:22 pm

Atheism is better because it is more parismonious and more easier to integrate into scientifically-informed web of belief.



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02 Jun 2010, 11:28 pm

I don't think it's better, but I wanted to see results....and post.



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02 Jun 2010, 11:29 pm

astaut wrote:
I don't think it's better, but I wanted to see results....and post.

Posting is fun, and something I do STRIDENTLY!

(godlessly too...)



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02 Jun 2010, 11:48 pm

Flair wrote:
2) Atheism promotes real human freedom.
Not necessarily Atheism promotes freedom from a moral tyrant, not from a political one.

Well, if one looks at American politics, it is usually the social conservatives who are religious, and atheists are more often socially liberal and want real human freedom. The real reason why atheism was so restrictive in the USSR was a Marxian dogma, and this can be clearly seen in how the idea of the USSR was to bend everything to Marxism, but not to Godlessness.

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3) Atheism reduces the necessary entities that one must hold due to the advances of science.
Atheism denies the existence of any entities. Science is using the scientific method. Until then it remains theory.

The two go together because scientific ideas such as evolution, and certain advances in psychology remove problems that atheists have to solve to go against religion.

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5) There is very lacking proof for theism of any sort.
Incorrect there is only lacking proof from a materialism perspective which denies spiritual existence.

Well, the problem with spiritual experience is the confusion. Which theism? A hindu pantheism? An olympian polytheism? A Calvinist monotheism? A liberal Christian monotheism? The problems seem humongous given the confusion.



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03 Jun 2010, 12:21 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Flair wrote:
2) Atheism promotes real human freedom.
Not necessarily Atheism promotes freedom from a moral tyrant, not from a political one.

Well, if one looks at American politics, it is usually the social conservatives who are religious, and atheists are more often socially liberal and want real human freedom. The real reason why atheism was so restrictive in the USSR was a Marxian dogma, and this can be clearly seen in how the idea of the USSR was to bend everything to Marxism, but not to Godlessness.
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But Atheism doesn't necessarily have the ability to protect from political tyrants.


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3) Atheism reduces the necessary entities that one must hold due to the advances of science.
Atheism denies the existence of any entities. Science is using the scientific method. Until then it remains theory.

The two go together because scientific ideas such as evolution, and certain advances in psychology remove problems that atheists have to solve to go against religion.

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Granted although I do wish the scientific community would improve their PR


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5) There is very lacking proof for theism of any sort.
Incorrect there is only lacking proof from a materialism perspective which denies spiritual existence.

Well, the problem with spiritual experience is the confusion. Which theism? A hindu pantheism? An olympian polytheism? A Calvinist monotheism? A liberal Christian monotheism? The problems seem humongous given the confusion.


Metaphysical Philosophy is a deeply untouched subject for many people worldwide

Materialism views things such as thoughts as "not real" i.e. a ghost would be viewed as hallucination produced by a thought which was produced by nerves/chemicals in the brain.

Duality would view the same perspective as materialism except it would not view the ghost as a hallucination but as being equally real as the person seeing the phenomena.

A paradigm shift is essentially when the philosophical perspective changes thus changing the interpretation of the results.

Due to the increasing amounts of limitations materialism places on physics some expect a paradigm shift to duality or another more balanced metaphysical perspective.

Materialism is a strict matter over mind philosophy
Duality is likely the best candidate for a paradigm shift as it is more balanced in defining reality
Idealism (this would be an atheists hell) views the mind as the base of all existence. (opposite of materialism basically).



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03 Jun 2010, 5:52 am

Flair wrote:

Materialism views things such as thoughts as "not real" i.e. a ghost would be viewed as hallucination produced by a thought which was produced by nerves/chemicals in the brain.



Matter and Energy in space-time is all that there is. Thoughts are electrochemical processes of the brain so they are quite real.

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03 Jun 2010, 6:00 am

ruveyn wrote:
Flair wrote:

Materialism views things such as thoughts as "not real" i.e. a ghost would be viewed as hallucination produced by a thought which was produced by nerves/chemicals in the brain.



Matter and Energy in space-time is all that there is. Thoughts are electrochemical processes of the brain so they are quite real.

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According to materialism. Metaphysics does not contradict science it only affects how it is interpreted.



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03 Jun 2010, 6:55 am

Atheism is logical.



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03 Jun 2010, 11:29 am

Flair wrote:
Metaphysical Philosophy is a deeply untouched subject for many people worldwide

It depends on what you mean by "metaphysical philosophy", as a lot of people read metaphysics as in crystal healing, and a lot of people read metaphysics as in actual academic philosophy.

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Materialism views things such as thoughts as "not real" i.e. a ghost would be viewed as hallucination produced by a thought which was produced by nerves/chemicals in the brain.

You mean mental images aren't real? Well.... mental images AREN'T real images. This is often shown with a particular geometric form, basically it is a rectangle with a square removed. The question is at what angle a person can see a dot inside the area where the square was removed out of the body of the rectangle. People can't figure it out at all though, but if there was a real image moved, then this should be easy.

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Duality would view the same perspective as materialism except it would not view the ghost as a hallucination but as being equally real as the person seeing the phenomena.

The problem is that it multiplies entities in a bizarre manner. Monism really is a better explanation if it works simply due to Occam's razor.

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Due to the increasing amounts of limitations materialism places on physics some expect a paradigm shift to duality or another more balanced metaphysical perspective.

Y'know, I *really* doubt that. Some physicists, such as Vic Stenger, consider this kind of idea outright stupid. As it stands though, there is no basic mental reality, so a shift to include a non-basic mental reality would be ad hoc.

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Materialism is a strict matter over mind philosophy
Duality is likely the best candidate for a paradigm shift as it is more balanced in defining reality
Idealism (this would be an atheists hell) views the mind as the base of all existence. (opposite of materialism basically).

Duality is not parsimonious, even compared to idealism. Both suck though because the mind isn't a basic unit, but rather the existence of all of the aberrations we see really do suggest that a material world is basic and that a mental reality cannot be nearly as real.

This can be seen in the inability of some people to know their own deficiencies here:
http://psych.utoronto.ca/~peterson/psy4 ... 201996.pdf

This can be seen with conditions such as Cotard's syndrome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotard_delusion

This can kind of be seen in the lack of unity in the mind itself.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... ural/7055/
http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/selfctr.htm

A lot of truths about the mind and brain utterly shatter any dream of "dualism" or "idealism".



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03 Jun 2010, 12:23 pm

2) Atheism promotes real human freedom.
What about in regards to religious freedom?


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03 Jun 2010, 12:26 pm

gemstone123 wrote:
2) Atheism promotes real human freedom.
What about in regards to religious freedom?

You are free to not believe in any way you like.



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03 Jun 2010, 12:37 pm

My answer is that atheism is only superior to theism if it is true. Since I personally am a theist I consider atheism to be inaccurate. But theism is only superior to atheism if it is true... and I can't prove to anyone that I'm right and they're wrong. Couldn't do it when I was an atheist either.

As you can guess, I posted other... :P



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03 Jun 2010, 12:46 pm

Lecks wrote:
gemstone123 wrote:
2) Atheism promotes real human freedom.
What about in regards to religious freedom?

You are free to not believe in any way you like.

What about being able to follow a religion of your choice?


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03 Jun 2010, 12:51 pm

gemstone123 wrote:
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gemstone123 wrote:
2) Atheism promotes real human freedom.
What about in regards to religious freedom?

You are free to not believe in any way you like.

What about being able to follow a religion of your choice?

Most theists wish to promote their particular theism, even at the public expense. Atheists usually give lipservice to a free society, even for religious people, despite thinking religious beliefs to be nonsense.