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08 Aug 2010, 9:41 pm

Have a look at this, please:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-ge ... n.Victims/


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08 Aug 2010, 9:47 pm

are the murdering bullies who call themselves the taliban going to be dealt with?



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08 Aug 2010, 10:00 pm

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Have a look at this, please:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-ge ... n.Victims/

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Have heard those words used before: No good deed shall go unpunished...

Victims...gave years of service

Some things appear impossible to explain: deaths of Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr., service victims in Afghanistan and so on.

Those things appear to violate ideas/principles like the law of karma/ideas in the Bible which suggest that good will be rewarded in this life (as well as after).



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08 Aug 2010, 10:29 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/au ... tian-group


A better written description of what went on.


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09 Aug 2010, 12:12 am

Religious zealots using "helping out war ravaged nations" as a pretense to spread the lies of Christianity, even if it is just to replace the lies of Islam is no different from a priest "working with the downtrodden children of the community" so as to have more access to vulnerable children to molest.

Molest their minds, molest their bodies, it's the same damn thing.

Both should be dealt with in the same manner.



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09 Aug 2010, 10:23 am

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My browser could not get to that article, but it looks to me like the woman mentioned in the article at ska's link was a victim of associative circumstance.

My mother once went on a group tour to some country where Christian missionary work is not allowed, and she was asked to carry in her luggage a few bibles wrapped and marked as "gifts" for the "tour guide" they would eventually meet even though just a few minutes earlier the tour leader, after being asked, had said they do no smuggling of bibles!

My mother went along on the tour anyway, but the only gifts she ever carried on that trip were those she later purchased to bring on back home.


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09 Aug 2010, 10:50 am

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ruveyn wrote:


My browser could not get to that article, but it looks to me like the woman mentioned in the article at ska's link was a victim of associative circumstance.

My mother once went on a group tour to some country where Christian missionary work is not allowed, and she was asked to carry in her luggage a few bibles wrapped and marked as "gifts" for the "tour guide" they would eventually meet even though just a few minutes earlier the tour leader, after being asked, had said they do no smuggling of bibles!

My mother went along on the tour anyway, but the only gifts she ever carried on that trip were those she later purchased to bring on back home.


ruveyn's article is very one-sided and neglects to cover much of the story as how it was covered by my link. In fact, ruveyn's article doesn't even mention that the group is associated with a larger Christian umbrella group; it only mentions that the Taliban claimed credit for the murder and said they were Christians trying to convert people.


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09 Aug 2010, 2:31 pm

skafather84 wrote:

ruveyn's article is very one-sided and neglects to cover much of the story as how it was covered by my link. In fact, ruveyn's article doesn't even mention that the group is associated with a larger Christian umbrella group; it only mentions that the Taliban claimed credit for the murder and said they were Christians trying to convert people.


These well shot up folks were also trying to render medical aid to those who needed it. As I said, no good deed will go unpunished.

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09 Aug 2010, 7:06 pm

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These well shot up folks were also trying to render medical aid to those who needed it. As I said, no good deed will go unpunished.


I think I understand why that is sometimes said even though it is not actually true, but what I really wonder here is whether a good deed can/should make someone immune from punishment for an actual offense ... or more specifically, did that one woman use poor judgment in being alongside a group also doing others things they all knew could lead to some kind of punishment?

Like in the story I told about my mother and the tour group, I would not have gone with that group at all if I had been concerned and wanting to avoid any and all risk present within the company of bible smugglers.


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09 Aug 2010, 9:53 pm

ruveyn wrote:
skafather84 wrote:

ruveyn's article is very one-sided and neglects to cover much of the story as how it was covered by my link. In fact, ruveyn's article doesn't even mention that the group is associated with a larger Christian umbrella group; it only mentions that the Taliban claimed credit for the murder and said they were Christians trying to convert people.


These well shot up folks were also trying to render medical aid to those who needed it. As I said, no good deed will go unpunished.

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I understand you only see the small part of the picture* you wish to see but I'm not exactly a big fan of taking myth over the facts.


*You are, afterall, a racist regressionist; I don't expect you to bother to try and see the big picture because you're too concerned with returning to more primitive times and to moronic ideals of tribalism.


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09 Aug 2010, 11:32 pm

Exclavius wrote:
Religious zealots using "helping out war ravaged nations" as a pretense to spread the lies of Christianity, even if it is just to replace the lies of Islam is no different from a priest "working with the downtrodden children of the community" so as to have more access to vulnerable children to molest.

Molest their minds, molest their bodies, it's the same damn thing.

Both should be dealt with in the same manner.


The article said that the focus of the trips to Afghanistan wasn't preaching; it was dentistry. The Christian saying is that we're "blessed to be a blessing", which basically means that we've been given the privileges of, let's say, dental care, so that we can share the blessing with other people. Frankly, I think that if the inspiration for the trip was his Christian beliefs so be it. I don't see how wandering around in the desert handing out toothbrushes is like molesting their minds.



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10 Aug 2010, 7:38 am

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I don't see how wandering around in the desert handing out toothbrushes is like molesting their minds.


I do not believe anyone has suggested it is. If I have understood correctly, we have a situation where a group of people with a religious mission just happened to be in a vulnerable spot while doing something else and was attacked ... and evidently the attackers did not believe the group should be left alone simply because they had free toothbrushes in hand at that moment.


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10 Aug 2010, 7:55 am

One of those doctors happened to come from my home town. The street she grew up on is a 10 minute walk away from where i am now. Interesting, its not been mentioned at all on the news both national and local that she was a member of a sect that is based in this town. For some reason Stevenage seems to attract mormons and jahovah's witnesses amongst others. I can understand the point people are trying to make in regards to turning up in a war zone and doing the whole preaching thing. But her reputation around here is based on her professional achievements not on the religious group her parents happened to belong too.



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10 Aug 2010, 8:26 am

Quote:
"We are heartbroken by the loss of these heroic, generous people," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in Washington. She condemned the Taliban for the deaths and what she called a "transparent attempt to justify the unjustifiable by making false accusations about their activities."


And what were they falsely accused of which justified their deaths in the eyes of the Taliban?

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... Taliban claims the group had tried to convert Afghans to Christianity.


Wow, now there's something deserving of death... NOT! And Hillary, ugh, did you notice the manner in which she phrased that so as not to question how ridiculous such a thing would be even if the "false accusations" were true? A paramilitary operation to annihilate a group of 10 volunteer doctors and such who they justified killing by claiming they were missionaries? How crap is that?



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10 Aug 2010, 9:49 am

skafather84 wrote:

I understand you only see the small part of the picture* you wish to see but I'm not exactly a big fan of taking myth over the facts.



In point of fact, I put fact before myth. In fact, I am only interested in facts and not in suppositions, guesses and wishful thinking, which is why I see very little good in the world.

I pay attention to the details (where both God and the Devil live). I tend to ignore the so-called "big picture" which is a mental construct and not a fact.

Here is the deal: you look at the big picture and I will pay attention to the picky little details.

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