Do you think we'll ever be able to create life?

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CaptainTrips222
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27 Aug 2010, 1:47 pm

I don't mean like, you know, chicka-bowow lets get it on, but I mean from scratch. Like, without using DNA.



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27 Aug 2010, 1:56 pm

Of course.



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27 Aug 2010, 1:56 pm

I watched a documentory which said they had made artificial cells and artifical rybosome so soon the complete living artifical cell will be made, they said with in the year.



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27 Aug 2010, 2:21 pm

I thought this was already done.



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27 Aug 2010, 2:30 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10132762

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Scientists in the US have succeeded in developing the first living cell to be controlled entirely by synthetic DNA.

The researchers constructed a bacterium's "genetic software" and transplanted it into a host cell.

The resulting microbe then looked and behaved like the species "dictated" by the synthetic DNA.

The advance, published in Science, has been hailed as a scientific landmark, but critics say there are dangers posed by synthetic organisms.

Some also suggest that the potential benefits of the technology have been over-stated.

But the researchers hope eventually to design bacterial cells that will produce medicines and fuels and even absorb greenhouse gases.

The team was led by Dr Craig Venter of the J Craig Venter Institute (JCVI) in Maryland and California.

He and his colleagues had previously made a synthetic bacterial genome, and transplanted the genome of one bacterium into another.

Now, the scientists have put both methods together, to create what they call a "synthetic cell", although only its genome is truly synthetic.

Dr Venter likened the advance to making new software for the cell.

The researchers copied an existing bacterial genome. They sequenced its genetic code and then used "synthesis machines" to chemically construct a copy.

Dr Venter told BBC News: "We've now been able to take our synthetic chromosome and transplant it into a recipient cell - a different organism.

"As soon as this new software goes into the cell, the cell reads [it] and converts into the species specified in that genetic code."

The new bacteria replicated over a billion times, producing copies that contained and were controlled by the constructed, synthetic DNA.

"This is the first time any synthetic DNA has been in complete control of a cell," said Dr Venter.
'New industrial revolution'

Dr Venter and his colleagues hope eventually to design and build new bacteria that will perform useful functions.

"I think they're going to potentially create a new industrial revolution," he said.

"If we can really get cells to do the production that we want, they could help wean us off oil and reverse some of the damage to the environment by capturing carbon dioxide."

Dr Venter and his colleagues are already collaborating with pharmaceutical and fuel companies to design and develop chromosomes for bacteria that would produce useful fuels and new vaccines.

But critics say that the potential benefits of synthetic organisms have been overstated.

Dr Helen Wallace from Genewatch UK, an organisation that monitors developments in genetic technologies, told BBC News that synthetic bacteria could be dangerous.

"If you release new organisms into the environment, you can do more harm than good," she said.

"By releasing them into areas of pollution, [with the aim of cleaning it up], you're actually releasing a new kind of pollution.

"We don't know how these organisms will behave in the environment."

Dr Wallace accused Dr Venter of playing down the potential drawbacks.

"He isn't God," she said, "he's actually being very human; trying to get money invested in his technology and avoid regulation that would restrict its use."

But Dr Venter said that he was "driving the discussions" about the regulations governing this relatively new scientific field and about the ethical implications of the work.

He said: "In 2003, when we made the first synthetic virus, it underwent an extensive ethical review that went all the way up to the level of the White House.

"And there have been extensive reviews including from the National Academy of Sciences, which has done a comprehensive report on this new field.

"We think these are important issues and we urge continued discussion that we want to take part in."
Ethical discussions

Dr Gos Micklem, a geneticist from the University of Cambridge, said that the advance was "undoubtedly a landmark" study.

But, he said, "there is already a wealth of simple, cheap, powerful and mature techniques for genetically engineering a range of organisms. Therefore, for the time being, this approach is unlikely to supplant existing methods for genetic engineering".

The ethical discussions surrounding the creation of synthetic or artificial life are set to continue.

Professor Julian Savulescu, from the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics at the University of Oxford, said the potential of this science was "in the far future, but real and significant".

"But the risks are also unparalleled," he continued. "We need new standards of safety evaluation for this kind of radical research and protections from military or terrorist misuse and abuse.

"These could be used in the future to make the most powerful bioweapons imaginable. The challenge is to eat the fruit without the worm."

The advance did not pose a danger in the form of bio-terrorism, Dr Venter said.

"That was reviewed extensively in the US in a report from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and a Washington defence think tank, indicating that there were very small new dangers from this.

"Most people are in agreement that there is a slight increase in the potential for harm. But there's an exponential increase in the potential benefit to society," he told BBC's Newsnight.

"The flu vaccine you'll get next year could be developed by these processes," he added.


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27 Aug 2010, 2:51 pm

Yes, eventually we'll be able to make organic lifeforms from scratch. However, it will be a showcase of human intelligence and technological achievement when such a feat is truly accomplished. Personally though it is a lot simpler to make a robot and I think robots are cooler than microbes, but probably just because I grew up in the era of such fictional characters as Johnny Five and Data.



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27 Aug 2010, 2:52 pm

Craig Venter and his team have already created an artificial life form from scatch.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/ ... -life-form

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27 Aug 2010, 3:04 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Craig Venter and his team have already created an artificial life form from scatch.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/ ... -life-form

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Posted the BBC News version of the same story.


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27 Aug 2010, 3:14 pm

skafather84 wrote:
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Now, the scientists have put both methods together, to create what they call a "synthetic cell", although only its genome is truly synthetic.



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27 Aug 2010, 10:26 pm

skafather84 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Craig Venter and his team have already created an artificial life form from scatch.

See
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/ ... -life-form

ruveyn


Posted the BBC News version of the same story.

I was going to mention Venter but it appears you and Ruveyn beat me to it.

I will point out that Venter's team have not actually created an artificial lifeform from scratch. They sequenced a genome, then using a list of the base-pairs in the genome, synthesized a new chromosome to match it, then inserted the new chromosome into an existing cell which had had its chromosome removed, and observed that it was functional.

To make an analogy: if I decompile a program, copy the source code over to a different computer, compile the program, and then run it, I have not written a program. A true synthetic lifeform is still a long way off. For one, our knowledge of the genetic code is still pretty limited. The ability to "write" a new genome is very, very far in the future, if it comes at all.


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27 Aug 2010, 10:50 pm

Define "life". Does a bacterium qualify? A virus? A prion?


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27 Aug 2010, 11:17 pm

DeaconBlues wrote:
Define "life". Does a bacterium qualify? A virus? A prion?

Yes, debatable, no.


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27 Aug 2010, 11:20 pm

Yep, unless government regulations put a cap on research into it we will someday be able to create organic life. This of course makes big ethical debate bullshit happen.


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27 Aug 2010, 11:32 pm

In the long run, and it may be shorter than we suspect, the principles of creating fragments of life inserted into living things may be not all that difficult. It then becomes a problem of creating enough viable fragments to not need any natural participation.
Working with living things may not require very expensive equipment or very special laboratories once the basic processes become commonplace. Then the problems begin. Living things inherently have the capability to reproduce and mutate and there are sufficient assholes with technical ability, as witnessed my the proliferation of computer malware, to cause major catastrophes to all life on Earth.



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28 Aug 2010, 8:33 am

DeaconBlues wrote:
Define "life". Does a bacterium qualify? A virus? A prion?


All living things. They are able to replicate and there are internal dynamics that maintain them in equilibrium with their environment for a limited period of time.

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