If God exist, why does he reward those that bullied us?

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Logically that doesn't make sense. Why would such a god reward those who do wrong by him.....and punish those that do right(a lot of aspies)


Someone explain this to me.

Because there is clearly no god. A god who is all-loving would obviously not stand for all the bulls**t that goes on in this hellhole we call Earth.

The assumption is, of course, that God has our best interests in mind. Let history comment on that. Although Hitler committed suicide, Pol Pot and Stalin and Franco and Pinochet died of old age. Lincoln and Gandhi and Kennedy and Martin King were shot. God's will?

This doesn't make sense to me.


Is it possible that religion is just a tool to keep outcast such as ourselves under control? So, why don't I do whatever I want.


That's right, I still have a chance to make a life for myself.

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That's why some religions believe in the idea of endless resurrections/reincarnations (like Hinduism/whatever).

The idea is that justice is not always delivered in this life so people are reincarnated and justice is delivered then.

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Christianity does promote the idea of tribulation/suffering in this life of pilgrimage.

(Religious science fiction movie - told using the literary device of a dream)

http://www.pilgrimsprogressthemovie.com/ (John Bunyan)

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Certainly the idea that God rewards those who bully suggests that God is a handsoff's God.

Christians tend to make an excuse for this behavior of God by saying God is only testing us with these bullies.

In the Old Testament of the Bible (Judaism), there is evidence that annointed ones like King David did not let bullies like Goliath continue with their bullying. They took action.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David (King David)(Good)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath (Giant Goliath)(Evil)

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http://www.beliefnet.com/
http://www.sacred-texts.com/

So, how are those who bully affected in heaven.


Also, do you think it's possible Christianity is a political tool used by the government to control the masses?

Under Christianity, everyone has an equal chance of being saved. But it requires an actual act of repentance, owning up to your mistakes, and trying to be a better person accordingly.

But, I do think Christianity has been a political tool used to control the masses for the last 1700 years.

God is Good. The problem (from our perspective) is that the Good to God is not ultimately compassion, love, charity, altruism, mercy; but Strength. Strength in will, body and mind.

To protect a robust murderer and slaughter a innocent pacifist, is perhaps quite Good from a divine perspective because what is vindicated is the superior breed, the stronger breed.

Where a good and evil being of comparable strength come into conflict, God favors the morally good, but remember that morality as we understand it is a secondary criteria to divinity not a primary one.

first dissect god. what is it? who? youll find that most of the responses are coming from a humanization of an object or idea we call god. god is indescribable in its truest sense. why does god allow this to happen? perhaps because we keep asking these questions. best to go our way not knowing and pretending than to believe we know it all. best to not care to know at all. just do what you see is best and not heed to those who feel the need to challenge your will. god has given me the most freeing experience out there, why then should i bind him to the interpretations of hatemongerers?

but given the mentality of many who frequent this site, not caring to know is near impossible...isnt it? foolish and left to the beasts.

Sure it makes sense. You are just looking at it with a very limited view: your own life so far. God is not limited by the human lifespan or by human ideas of what constiutes a wrongdoing or what constitutes "reward" and "punish".

Ok I will bite, at what point do you decide 'not caring to know' is sufficient. Humanity has thrived because of our rapacious thirst to understand, to learn, to investigate. So at what point do you stop caring to expand knowledge. To take a broad example if we decided to believe the biblical account of nature and had no care to understand where would we be in regards to evolution and leading from that to genetics?

It is essential to push our understanding of the natural world, unfortunately their are many who believe in god who would prevent the dissemination of this knowledge, therefore a rational, science based approach to the question of god is required.

I believe the issue is mostly against the notion of the existence of God, the biblical god to be exact, and why is that problamatic, the problems proposed as of being unable to seemingly sustain according to our current perception of human reality or wether it makes sense, to even suggest that all biblical accounts and traditional beliefs coming from it are that factual given our current reality, but rather inventions, for the purpose of control and order as well as finding a meaning to life.

I do find problems regarding God's wishes, God's jealousy and God's benevolence, what God allowed and what didn't, from the Old Testament, because that seems to conflict with our current standars of justice, morality, benevolence and merciness, as well as the conflict with idealisms and philosophies that came out from the enlightenment, which didn't exist in biblical times.

And I tend to conclude that the idea is mostly related to cultural, social and economic aspects, the reality that that particular culture lived at a different periods of time, the opression of the roman empire, etc. rather than something representing an objective reality or a universal morality that should not be changed or intented to be changed, but the issue is that it has changed, it has evolved. So to me, this problem brings doubt about it all. I mean, calling the OT God a "cosmic Saddam Hussein" has its reasons, and the reasons are that we see it from our contemporary perspective rather than the perspective of people from thousand of years ago, who did not have a clue of what everything will turn out in the 21st century AD.

So I tend to conclude that the origin of these beliefs are historical and cultural dependent rather than something to be taken as universal.


Not caring to know about what exactly? Not caring to justify God at all? just blindly go with it, because it is pretty or it makes you feel better, and we all should take it joyfully like little sheeps?

Some people conform hapily with some ideas, others try to rationalize things, and try to come up with a reasonable justification for an issue like this or to challenge a given justification, I mean, practically your justification is that people shouldn't question things and go along with it happily, but this is the PPR forum. Here you should expect certain beliefs and ideas to be called into question.

Are you referring to NeuroTypicals when you say "those who do wrong by him" and in particular, those which have bullied us?

speaking strictly for myself, i can say that [the concept of] reincarnation makes the lord's mysterious workings less mysterious.

Let's also not forget the Objectivist view (as a supplement to a religion) that they aren't being rewarded for bullying you. If you mean something along the lines of a bully later going on to own a multi-million dollar corporation, then he's being rewarded for his work in achieving that (both hard work and dedication to that work, such as determining the best course of work he can take to advance himself... it's not always "hard work" that pays off, after all).

As for me... I don't believe in a caring god-figure; I believe in a rather dispassionate one. One that is not just me, but the bully as well.

Moreover, you're not even looking at your life. You're looking at the moment. Perhaps that bullying can lead you to something greater in yourself. It is your choice to take the bullying and hate the world for bringing this bully upon you or to find wisdom from the bullying. There is wisdom in all experiences, even painful ones. It is your choice whether you look past the pain to find that wisdom or dismiss it all and go through life without it.