My reaction to the outrage of 9/11

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11 Sep 2010, 12:10 pm

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If you really want to wipe them all out then you'll have to be a lot more efficient than old what's his name. And if you want the world to still be inhabitable by yourselves you'll need to be careful about it.

That is the truth. Genocide is not what it used to be.

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11 Sep 2010, 12:25 pm

This is a long video. It's worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2CCs-x9q9U

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11 Sep 2010, 12:33 pm

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This is a long video. It's worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2CCs-x9q9U

Gevault! Another piece of rhetoric implying the America is an Empire!

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Chalmers Johnson, author of Blowback, Sorrows of Empire and Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic , talks about the similarities in the decline of the Roman and Soviet empires and the signs that the U.S. empire is exhibiting the same symptoms: overextension, corruption and the inability to reform.

What the frell is with this? This is what my "USA as an Empire" ludicrousness is about. Fine, if we are to continue being called an "Empire", why not start acting like one? On to the conquest! First the world, and then the rest of the universe!! ! ... :twisted:

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11 Sep 2010, 12:43 pm

The USA is NOT an empire.

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11 Sep 2010, 2:04 pm

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2946. More people than died at Pearl Harbor. If America could cook up an A-bomb an use it because of an attack that killed less than 3000 people imagine what they will do the Next Time, when Jihadis will set of a nuclear bomb or a dirty radiological bomb.

Japan had intent to invade the country. This is a disorganized group of freedom fighters who turned their attentions away from the USSR and focused them on the USA. They are no more an invading force now to us than they were then to the USSR. That you fail to comprehend this basic fact shows how out of touch you are. Again, you're a sap.

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11 Sep 2010, 2:08 pm

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Al-Qaeda had intent to commit the 9/11 atrocity and freedom fighters do not deliberately target civilians. If they do, they're terrorists and murderers.

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11 Sep 2010, 2:13 pm

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@ruveyn

How many died in that atrocity? Around 2000?

How about we hate all Christians forever for the 8000 odd that died here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

How about hating all UN nations forever for not intervening here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide#United_Nations.

I wonder if any Christians had anything to do with this one. If so hate 'em all forever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

As I recall the Serbian conflict was a nationalist issue rather than a religious one per se. Serbia has a long history of being incredibly nationalistic about its territory. In fact the whole conflict was more about race and state than religion.

UN commanders on the ground desired to interced in Rwanda but were denied that status by the UN itself. Does this mean that the nations as a whole should be blamed for not helping, or merely their UN representatives? Or just nations that disliked the idea of helping? Besides, again, Rwanda was an ethnically driven situation, not a religious one.

As for the Holocaust: The Nazi movement was not a Christian movement. Jews are an ethnic group as well as a religious group, but non-practising jews were gassed too. (So were Christians btw.) Being in the RACE was the crime.

None of these were primarily religious in motivation.

Neither was this one. This was about hitting America and their closest allies because of their meddling in the Middle East.

A lot of people hate America for various reasons.

Religion is a good way of recruiting and brainwashing troops but the real cause is political.

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11 Sep 2010, 2:17 pm

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skafather84 wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Al-Qaeda had intent to commit the 9/11 atrocity and freedom fighters do not deliberately target civilians. If they do, they're terrorists and murderers.

I used the term "freedom fighters" because these are the exact same people who fought the soviets in the 80s that Reagan had labeled as "freedom fighters". It's a mocking of an atrocious foreign policy and to further illuminate that 9/11 wasn't an invading attack but rather a defensive attack from a people and culture that want absolutely nothing to do with us anymore but we keep forcing ourselves on them and screwing up their lives. Pearl Harbor was an attack of aggression with the end intent of invasion. 9/11 was an attack hoping to topple the empire that has keep people in the Persian Gulf/Middle East area living in squalor under harsh dictators.

Or if you want to go the other route, it was a conspiracy by our government to grab more control and have a reason to enter the middle east theater and do whatever we want for the next few decades.

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11 Sep 2010, 2:47 pm

Jono wrote:

The USA is NOT an empire.

Correct, the USA is not an Empire. However, try persuading the type of people who use adjectives such as "Imperialistic" pejoratively in association with the actions of the USA or Israel. I think it is far easier to play with their little minds by selling them back their own rhetoric, and such seems to cause them to spout ever more nonsense.

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11 Sep 2010, 3:28 pm

skafather84 wrote:

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skafather84 wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Al-Qaeda had intent to commit the 9/11 atrocity and freedom fighters do not deliberately target civilians. If they do, they're terrorists and murderers.

It is not a defensive attack to kill civilians on US soil. Those who died in Twin Towers have nothing to do with military activities abroad.

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11 Sep 2010, 4:15 pm

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It is not a defensive attack to kill civilians on US soil. Those who died in Twin Towers have nothing to do with military activities abroad.

Actually it is civilian taxes that make the military possible. That was the theory behind what Sherman did to the State of Georgia during the Civil War.

In a war no one is entirely innocent except little children.

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11 Sep 2010, 4:38 pm

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Those who died in Twin Towers have nothing to do with military activities abroad.

As ruveyn pointed out, through taxes: we're all guilty. Beyond that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Tower

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Tower

That's a lot of economic industry work going on.

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11 Sep 2010, 6:05 pm

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Not only christians, but how about hating americans and all the west for all of that?

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Maybe it is just human nature. Maybe some folk are just more efficient than others.

It's the only way to be sure.

Nuke the planet out of orbit, that is actually the only way to be 100% sure.

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11 Sep 2010, 6:18 pm

Jono wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Al-Qaeda had intent to commit the 9/11 atrocity and freedom fighters do not deliberately target civilians. If they do, they're terrorists and murderers.

They don't target civilians, deilberately, yes, but they should realise that civilians casualties are a great possibility, even recently in history, I remember some reports regarding bombings towards Irak military zones, that there were few civilians killed and wounded, as a result american bombings, yes I very small number, but still, so that is always a possibility to happen and they should know about it, it is just that one way or another they likely would justify the actions and probably they could put the blame to the ones they attack rather. Civil casualties from the Hiroshima a-bombing was something that they surely should have realised, even if civilians weren't the target, I could say that what could happen to civilians in that city at the time wasn't much, or any, of their concern.

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11 Sep 2010, 6:28 pm

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I don't even hate Muslims, but I do hate the religion of Islam.

I hate the entire religion of Christianity and just becuase of a few looney fundies.

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