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11 Sep 2010, 6:33 pm

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Religion is a good way of recruiting and brainwashing troops but the real cause is political.

Thank you for being the voice of reason.

This thread is just appalling. The blood has literally drained from my face. I'm speechless.



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11 Sep 2010, 7:45 pm

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This is a long video. It's worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2CCs-x9q9U


Gevault! Another piece of rhetoric implying the America is an Empire!

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Chalmers Johnson, author of Blowback, Sorrows of Empire and Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic , talks about the similarities in the decline of the Roman and Soviet empires and the signs that the U.S. empire is exhibiting the same symptoms: overextension, corruption and the inability to reform.


What the frell is with this? This is what my "USA as an Empire" ludicrousness is about. Fine, if we are to continue being called an "Empire", why not start acting like one? On to the conquest! First the world, and then the rest of the universe!! ! ... :twisted: :roll: :(


To be that ignorant of the nature and mechanics of US foreign policy is truly pitiful.



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11 Sep 2010, 7:58 pm

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
This is a long video. It's worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2CCs-x9q9U


Gevault! Another piece of rhetoric implying the America is an Empire!

Quote:
Chalmers Johnson, author of Blowback, Sorrows of Empire and Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic , talks about the similarities in the decline of the Roman and Soviet empires and the signs that the U.S. empire is exhibiting the same symptoms: overextension, corruption and the inability to reform.


What the frell is with this? This is what my "USA as an Empire" ludicrousness is about. Fine, if we are to continue being called an "Empire", why not start acting like one? On to the conquest! First the world, and then the rest of the universe!! ! ... :twisted: :roll: :(


To be that ignorant of the nature and mechanics of US foreign policy is truly pitiful.


It's the American Way©! !!


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11 Sep 2010, 8:14 pm

I didn't even need to open this thread as ruevyn's thoughts about 911 were rather predictable.


After all...this isn't surprising coming from a man who thinks that MORE women and children should've suffered and died in the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombings. If remember correctly.....ruevyn stated that 99% of the Japanese population at the time should've been killed off. All because the Japanese weren't punished enough to satisfy his sadistic, crude and irrational lust for revenge. I only hope he wouldn't be critical of any Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian, American Indian, Nicaraguan, etc... people if they wished the same sort of genocidal sadism on American Citizens.



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11 Sep 2010, 10:49 pm

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Nuke the planet out of orbit, that is actually the only way to be 100% sure.


Actually, if we were to utilize osmium mass drivers, a type of artificial meteorite, and target only unpopulated areas within visual/driving distance of population centers in certain countries that harbor people like Osama, perhaps it would be a way of "show of force" without casualties involved. After prolonged orbital bombardment, I think that such people might get the point that it's just not cool to mess with us or our friends. As long as the targeting and guidance systems of the kinetic energy mass drivers are accurate, which would not be too difficult provided that since the 80's we could have two missiles hit precisely the same target location sequentially, there would need not be fatalities involved.



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11 Sep 2010, 10:55 pm

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I don't even hate Muslims, but I do hate the religion of Islam.

I hate the entire religion of Christianity and just becuase of a few looney fundies.


Thanks for being honest. :P Seriously though Greenblue, you have read some of the rhetoric of militant Atheists who actually do "hate the entire religion of Christianity and just becuase of a few looney fundies." They go on bashing Christianity all they like too, undisturbed and undaunted. Hatred of religion is not something frowned upon by Atheists, is it? Or at least they don't frown when they come up with mockeries and caricatures of Christians and Christianity, do they?



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12 Sep 2010, 12:54 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Nuke the planet out of orbit, that is actually the only way to be 100% sure.


Actually, if we were to utilize osmium mass drivers, a type of artificial meteorite, and target only unpopulated areas within visual/driving distance of population centers in certain countries that harbor people like Osama, perhaps it would be a way of "show of force" without casualties involved. After prolonged orbital bombardment, I think that such people might get the point that it's just not cool to mess with us or our friends. As long as the targeting and guidance systems of the kinetic energy mass drivers are accurate, which would not be too difficult provided that since the 80's we could have two missiles hit precisely the same target location sequentially, there would need not be fatalities involved.


If you're set on using comic book science, Superman and Batman probably could do a neater job.



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12 Sep 2010, 1:17 am

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Nuke the planet out of orbit, that is actually the only way to be 100% sure.


Actually, if we were to utilize osmium mass drivers, a type of artificial meteorite, and target only unpopulated areas within visual/driving distance of population centers in certain countries that harbor people like Osama, perhaps it would be a way of "show of force" without casualties involved. After prolonged orbital bombardment, I think that such people might get the point that it's just not cool to mess with us or our friends. As long as the targeting and guidance systems of the kinetic energy mass drivers are accurate, which would not be too difficult provided that since the 80's we could have two missiles hit precisely the same target location sequentially, there would need not be fatalities involved.


If you're set on using comic book science, Superman and Batman probably could do a neater job.


Orbital bombardment is far from comic book science. Give a sufficient mass of high density material enough potential energy and let it transfer to kinetic: you don't even need any type of explosives upon impact, and radiation is not an issue either.



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12 Sep 2010, 1:24 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Nuke the planet out of orbit, that is actually the only way to be 100% sure.


Actually, if we were to utilize osmium mass drivers, a type of artificial meteorite, and target only unpopulated areas within visual/driving distance of population centers in certain countries that harbor people like Osama, perhaps it would be a way of "show of force" without casualties involved. After prolonged orbital bombardment, I think that such people might get the point that it's just not cool to mess with us or our friends. As long as the targeting and guidance systems of the kinetic energy mass drivers are accurate, which would not be too difficult provided that since the 80's we could have two missiles hit precisely the same target location sequentially, there would need not be fatalities involved.


If you're set on using comic book science, Superman and Batman probably could do a neater job.


Orbital bombardment is far from comic book science. Give a sufficient mass of high density material enough potential energy and let it transfer to kinetic: you don't even need any type of explosives upon impact, and radiation is not an issue either.


Since the USA is well overstocked with ICBMs why bother to herd interplanetary garbage for effect. You're right up there with ruveyn in believing in genocide to solve your problems. Why not use the tools readily available?



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12 Sep 2010, 1:36 am

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Nuke the planet out of orbit, that is actually the only way to be 100% sure.


Actually, if we were to utilize osmium mass drivers, a type of artificial meteorite, and target only unpopulated areas within visual/driving distance of population centers in certain countries that harbor people like Osama, perhaps it would be a way of "show of force" without casualties involved. After prolonged orbital bombardment, I think that such people might get the point that it's just not cool to mess with us or our friends. As long as the targeting and guidance systems of the kinetic energy mass drivers are accurate, which would not be too difficult provided that since the 80's we could have two missiles hit precisely the same target location sequentially, there would need not be fatalities involved.


If you're set on using comic book science, Superman and Batman probably could do a neater job.


Orbital bombardment is far from comic book science. Give a sufficient mass of high density material enough potential energy and let it transfer to kinetic: you don't even need any type of explosives upon impact, and radiation is not an issue either.


Since the USA is well overstocked with ICBMs why bother to herd interplanetary garbage for effect. You're right up there with ruveyn in believing in genocide to solve your problems. Why not use the tools readily available?


I don't want to kill them or affect the planet with radiation. Bombardment of unpopulated desert areas between cities with mass drivers would present minimal loss of life, or potentially even none if done properly with guidance systems and surveillance to make certain there is no life in the area of effect prior to bombardment. There is a huge difference between bombarding uninhabited soil and genocide. Genocide is mass murder of people indiscriminately. Bombardment of uninhabited soil alone is just blasting dirt to get a point across to people who are still going to be alive rather than well done.



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12 Sep 2010, 1:49 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Nuke the planet out of orbit, that is actually the only way to be 100% sure.


Actually, if we were to utilize osmium mass drivers, a type of artificial meteorite, and target only unpopulated areas within visual/driving distance of population centers in certain countries that harbor people like Osama, perhaps it would be a way of "show of force" without casualties involved. After prolonged orbital bombardment, I think that such people might get the point that it's just not cool to mess with us or our friends. As long as the targeting and guidance systems of the kinetic energy mass drivers are accurate, which would not be too difficult provided that since the 80's we could have two missiles hit precisely the same target location sequentially, there would need not be fatalities involved.


If you're set on using comic book science, Superman and Batman probably could do a neater job.


Orbital bombardment is far from comic book science. Give a sufficient mass of high density material enough potential energy and let it transfer to kinetic: you don't even need any type of explosives upon impact, and radiation is not an issue either.


Since the USA is well overstocked with ICBMs why bother to herd interplanetary garbage for effect. You're right up there with ruveyn in believing in genocide to solve your problems. Why not use the tools readily available?


I don't want to kill them or affect the planet with radiation. Bombardment of unpopulated desert areas between cities with mass drivers would present minimal loss of life, or potentially even none if done properly with guidance systems and surveillance to make certain there is no life in the area of effect prior to bombardment. There is a huge difference between bombarding uninhabited soil and genocide. Genocide is mass murder of people indiscriminately. Bombardment of uninhabited soil alone is just blasting dirt to get a point across to people who are still going to be alive rather than well done.


I commend you on your Christian mercy but considering how innocents have been massively and randomly murdered by the so-called smart (but uniformly misdirected) weapons now in use throughout the Middle East I sincerely doubt genocide would be excluded from your plans. The reactions to demonstrated force from the Battle of Britain down to the present wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been pretty uniformly further violent reaction and blowback. Jesus advised to turn the other cheek and, although it got him crucified, it does have certain positive effects. After all, if he hadn't been crucified, where would Christianity be today? But, as a Christian, I assume you should be aware of Jesus' advice.



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12 Sep 2010, 2:57 am

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Since you folks are too Politically Correct to hear what I have to write in English, I will write it in Latin:

Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius"

ruveyn


:lol: :lol: :lol:

But seriously - MORON!


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12 Sep 2010, 3:01 am

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Sand wrote:
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Sand wrote:
This is a long video. It's worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2CCs-x9q9U


Gevault! Another piece of rhetoric implying the America is an Empire!

Quote:
Chalmers Johnson, author of Blowback, Sorrows of Empire and Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic , talks about the similarities in the decline of the Roman and Soviet empires and the signs that the U.S. empire is exhibiting the same symptoms: overextension, corruption and the inability to reform.


What the frell is with this? This is what my "USA as an Empire" ludicrousness is about. Fine, if we are to continue being called an "Empire", why not start acting like one? On to the conquest! First the world, and then the rest of the universe!! ! ... :twisted: :roll: :(


To be that ignorant of the nature and mechanics of US foreign policy is truly pitiful.


It's the American Way©! !!


The parakeet in ignorance squawks and defecates, there is more fertilizer for the garden of hate, the light moves on...


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12 Sep 2010, 10:58 am

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it was a tragedy what happened to those lovely buildings.
when they collapsed, i was distraught.

they must have cost a lot of money to build, and it was all laid to waste that day!!

(to say nothing of the 2 boeing aircraft that were destroyed)


If you are trying to give the impression of being crude and crass, you have succeeded.

ruveyn

crudeness and crassness is in the mind of the beholder.

obviously i am not saying that the human lives that were lost were of no consequence.

but i did not know anyone that was killed in the incident, and so i will leave it up to others to comment upon that.

what was exceptionally annoying about the incident was that the next version of flight simulator released after 9-11 did not have the twin towers in the scenery for new york !.

i am not saying that the loss of life is meaningless. i am just not talking about it.
you may jump the gun and convict me of callousness, but i never said anything about the people.

anyway this is a thread for people who lick their lips to the point of blistering while they frantically pontificate their input, and i made the mistake of saying something without regard to the urgency of intent of the other posters.

rant away with the other agonized posters while i sleep peacefully garnering my thoughts for my simple tomorrow.



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12 Sep 2010, 11:56 am

[quote="b9"]

obviously i am not saying that the human lives that were lost were of no consequence.

/quote]

That is not the least bit obvious.

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