What is it with Liberal Progressives Anyways

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05 Jan 2011, 3:44 pm

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Pro-union is pro-middle class. Anti-union is anti-middle class. If the Right say they're against the middle class they're welcome to say so, and they do again and again and again. My question is why middle class people would vote for such enemies.


Middle class? Like the Teamsters or the Long Shoremen, run by gangster thugs.

This is hardly an indictment against the right of workers to unionize. If unions are involved in illegal or criminal activities they will face the legal consequences like any other individual, company, or political action group would. You are not aware of the widespread illegal and criminal activities that were in the not too distant past employed by industry to break unions and violate workers rights? To oppose unions is not in the true libertarian spirit, its simply a cynical form of class warfare against the working class.


I do not oppose Unions. If knuckle dragging Proles want to organize, then let them. If I were running a business the first sign of Union membership and I would fire them off the job. Unfortunately that is against the Wagner Act.

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05 Jan 2011, 3:59 pm

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I do not oppose Unions. If knuckle dragging Proles want to organize, then let them. If I were running a business the first sign of Union membership and I would fire them off the job. Unfortunately that is against the Wagner Act.

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If you support Corporations (a collective organization for entrepreneurs and investors to pool their resources and act together toward their shared interests) then you must also support unions (a collective organization for workers and laborers to poll their resources and act together toward their shared interests). Supporting either of these organizational structures while opposing the other is class warfare. Opposing both is a Luddite attack upon the modern economy.


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05 Jan 2011, 5:35 pm

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You seriously, underestimate the intelligence of the American People. Quite frankly, just because one is an intellectual, doesn't mean they can't also be an idiot when it comes to common sense and critical thinking.


Irony, thy name is Inuyasha.

At least I cannot be accused of underestimating your intelligence.


You just did... :lol:



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05 Jan 2011, 6:27 pm

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Irony, thy name is Inuyasha.

At least I cannot be accused of underestimating your intelligence.


You just did... :lol:


Translation for the irony impaired:

Inuyasha, it is not possible to underestimate your intelligence.


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05 Jan 2011, 8:11 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Pro-union is pro-middle class. Anti-union is anti-middle class. If the Right say they're against the middle class they're welcome to say so, and they do again and again and again. My question is why middle class people would vote for such enemies.


Middle class? Like the Teamsters or the Long Shoremen, run by gangster thugs.

This is hardly an indictment against the right of workers to unionize. If unions are involved in illegal or criminal activities they will face the legal consequences like any other individual, company, or political action group would. You are not aware of the widespread illegal and criminal activities that were in the not too distant past employed by industry to break unions and violate workers rights? To oppose unions is not in the true libertarian spirit, its simply a cynical form of class warfare against the working class.


I do not oppose Unions. If knuckle dragging Proles want to organize, then let them. If I were running a business the first sign of Union membership and I would fire them off the job. Unfortunately that is against the Wagner Act.

Even if that would mean the end of your business because none of the grubby "Proles" will work for you. Now your left with no choice but to join the Proles yourself. Or since you think you are above working with "Proles" that you can go off by yourself and dig through the dumpsters for meals.



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05 Jan 2011, 10:01 pm

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Even if that would mean the end of your business because none of the grubby "Proles" will work for you. Now your left with no choice but to join the Proles yourself. Or since you think you are above working with "Proles" that you can go off by yourself and dig through the dumpsters for meals.


Nonsense. There have always been enough scabs.

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05 Jan 2011, 10:32 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Even if that would mean the end of your business because none of the grubby "Proles" will work for you. Now your left with no choice but to join the Proles yourself. Or since you think you are above working with "Proles" that you can go off by yourself and dig through the dumpsters for meals.


Nonsense. There have always been enough scabs.

Not for you. You'd have to beg the illegals to work for you.



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06 Jan 2011, 1:22 am

visagrunt wrote:
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Irony, thy name is Inuyasha.

At least I cannot be accused of underestimating your intelligence.


You just did... :lol:


Translation for the irony impaired:

Inuyasha, it is not possible to underestimate your intelligence.


:roll:

Just keep telling yourself, I'm sorry your you can't handle the fact you're living in na na land.



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06 Jan 2011, 12:33 pm

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Just keep telling yourself, I'm sorry your you can't handle the fact you're living in na na land.


'nuf said.


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06 Jan 2011, 12:39 pm

Article in the Atlantic about the global plutocracy

This shows us why the Republicans are wrong. This elite, worshipped as gods, a bunch of amoral, spoiled brats, some of them are clearly insane (though Khordokovsky is in prison now he surely counts as insane having claimed that anyone who is not an oligarch must be sick), and they demand that Western people take a large cut in their standard of living. These people are asking to be destroyed.

Notice that these people have no loyalty to any nation or people. Their loyalty is to their own class. So these so-called hyper-patriots who call themselves American conservatives should put their traitor gods' disloyalty in their pipes and smoke it.



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06 Jan 2011, 2:01 pm

Yes, what is it with us liberal progressive types? I've never gotten us liberal progressive types. I sat down with my mum (semi-retired healthcare nonprofit coordinator), my brother (geopolitics and environmental sustainability analyst) and his fiancee (urban public policy analyst), and asked them, "what is it with us liberal progressive types, anyway?" and they all said, "man, beats me!"

And hey, you know, Glenn Beck MUST have rigorous fact-checking, right? 'Cause, you know, they'd have pulled him off the air otherwise, riiiiiight?


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07 Jan 2011, 12:46 am

visagrunt wrote:
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Just keep telling yourself, I'm sorry your you can't handle the fact you're living in na na land.


'nuf said.


Meh, typos go figure.

Anyways, visagrunt does Journ'O'list mean anything to you? It should, because it pretty much proved my point about many sources that you consider credible.



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07 Jan 2011, 11:35 am

Inuyasha wrote:
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Just keep telling yourself, I'm sorry your you can't handle the fact you're living in na na land.


'nuf said.


Meh, typos go figure.

Anyways, visagrunt does Journ'O'list mean anything to you? It should, because it pretty much proved my point about many sources that you consider credible.


What sources, pray, do I consider credible? Do you have some window into my cognition?

Or perhaps I have revealed myself to you. So, what journals have I cited to support my arguments with you?

Well, I have cited the Oxford English Dictionary, and I stand by that particular work. I am reasonably certain that its editorial staff have not been colluding to exclude right wing citations--but I didn't any Bill O'Reilly citations under the entry for "Kool-Aid," so you might be onto something there.

I have probably cited the Canadian Journal of Public Health, the CIA World Factbook and publications of Statistics Canada, the OECD and WHO. I don't think their credibility is called into question by your source, either. But do correct me if I am wrong.

If we are limiting ourselves to news media, well I have certainly cited the New York Times. But I have not done so for the substance of the citation, but for the fact of its content, specifically, the use of the phrase, "drink the Kool-Aid." Hardly a citation which relies upon the credibility of the Times.

But feel free to show me what journals I find credible. And if you can do so, you are more than welcome to impeach their credibility.


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