What is it with Liberal Progressives Anyways

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Inuyasha
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04 Jan 2011, 1:22 pm

@ Dox47

Quite frankly I couldn't care less what you think about me. But don't come crying to me when stuff happens that I warned them about.

@ Liberal Progressives

You still have yet to come up with a legit excuse as to why Fox News is the only news network in the US with a net positive when it comes to public trust. Even CNN doesn't have a net positive when it comes to trust.

Speaking of CNN isn't one of their reporters whom used to work at CBS quitting and going to Fox News. The man is a liberal too, so there goes your argument that Fox News is just a conservative mouthpiece. Fox News may have more conservatives working there than liberals, but conservatives are an endangered species if not extinct on the other media outlets (including CNN).



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04 Jan 2011, 2:00 pm

@Dox

You are correct that his style is ineffective against intellectuals and the majority of posters on this forum. I agree that his style is detrimental to the conservative cause if that cause is to try and convert intelligent people to the conservative side. However I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the general public. His style of propoganda obviously works on a segment of the population or shows like Glenn Beck or Hannity wouldn't be so popular.



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04 Jan 2011, 2:06 pm

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You are correct that his style is ineffective against intellectuals and the majority of posters on this forum.


Stop acting like an elitist. This is why the Democrats were thrown out of office in 2010, and why they will keep losing in 2012 if they don't shape up.

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I agree though that his style is detrimental to the conservative cause if that cause is to try and convert intelligent people to the conservative side. However I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the general public. His style of propoganda obviously works on a segment of the population or shows like Glenn Beck or Hannity wouldn't be so popular.


:roll:

Really, I think one would find the average tea partier or person that watches Glenn Beck knows a lot more about what is actually going on in this country than you do. You seriously, underestimate the intelligence of the American People. Quite frankly, just because one is an intellectual, doesn't mean they can't also be an idiot when it comes to common sense and critical thinking.



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04 Jan 2011, 3:34 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
You are correct that his style is ineffective against intellectuals and the majority of posters on this forum.


Stop acting like an elitist. This is why the Democrats were thrown out of office in 2010, and why they will keep losing in 2012 if they don't shape up.[/qote]
You know Dox47 is a libertarian, not a liberal or a democrat, yet he agrees with me and not you. I think this shows that this is not a problem of "liberal elitism". Rather, it's a problem of conservatives such as your self labelling everyone who thinks your arguments are unoriginal, closed minded, and unpersuasive as "elitists".

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I agree though that his style is detrimental to the conservative cause if that cause is to try and convert intelligent people to the conservative side. However I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the general public. His style of propoganda obviously works on a segment of the population or shows like Glenn Beck or Hannity wouldn't be so popular.

Really, I think one would find the average tea partier or person that watches Glenn Beck knows a lot more about what is actually going on in this country than you do. You seriously, underestimate the intelligence of the American People. Quite frankly, just because one is an intellectual, doesn't mean they can't also be an idiot when it comes to common sense and critical thinking.

It's people like you who have the problem with critical thinking. You just can't see the forest for the trees. Glenn Beck paints everyone who doesn't agree with his vision and the vision of his viewers as being part of a vast socialist conspiracy. Its just blatantly insulting to any non-right wing person and a perfect example of uncritical thinking.



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04 Jan 2011, 4:14 pm

go read the daily mail. 8O

some 2.3 million people (as of 2008) trust it as a credible source of news, despite it being racist, facist bigoted and outright full of horsesh*t.



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04 Jan 2011, 5:18 pm

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go read the daily mail. 8O

some 2.3 million people (as of 2008) trust it as a credible source of news, despite it being racist, facist bigoted and outright full of horsesh*t.


:lol:

I'm sorry, but this is getting to be hysterical. Why would Juan Williams or Geraldo work at Fox News if they were as you claim they were?



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04 Jan 2011, 5:42 pm

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Quite frankly I couldn't care less what you think about me. But don't come crying to me when stuff happens that I warned them about.


You're largely missing my point; it's not your ideology I'm objecting to but the way in which you present it. There have been times when I've agreed with something you've said, but you've so completely destroyed your credibility as a poster here that defending you would be embarrassing. I've got my own ways of fighting the creeping encroachment of big government, and they don't involve endlessly parroting political entertainers either.


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04 Jan 2011, 6:17 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:
@ Dox47

Quite frankly I couldn't care less what you think about me. But don't come crying to me when stuff happens that I warned them about.


You're largely missing my point; it's not your ideology I'm objecting to but the way in which you present it. There have been times when I've agreed with something you've said, but you've so completely destroyed your credibility as a poster here that defending you would be embarrassing. I've got my own ways of fighting the creeping encroachment of big government, and they don't involve endlessly parroting political entertainers either.


Thing is I haven't been parroting anything, if the "political entertainer" is saying something that the facts I have found through research match up, I'm gonna agree with that individual. Thing is Dox47, I think I have given a fairly good case as to the fact Fox News is a legitimate source. No matter how you slice it, people consider Fox News to be the most credible news media outlet.

Name one Conservative on MSNBC (Joe Scarbourogh isn't a Conservative) that has their own show or is a regular there. Cause I can name several liberals that either appear on Fox News regularly or have their own shows: Bob Beckel (regular on Hannity), Juan Williams (regular on Special Report, hosts O'Reilly Factor if Bill O'Reilly isn't there, sometimes shows up on Hannity), Geraldo (has his own show), Chris Walace (hosts Fox News Sunday), Kirsten Powers (regular on Hannity), Alan Colmes (semi-retired used to host Hannity & Colmes with Sean Hannity, now will make appearances on various shows), and those are just off the top of my head.



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04 Jan 2011, 6:29 pm

Your notions of "liberal" and "conservative" are comical. I won't even bother addressing them.


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04 Jan 2011, 6:35 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
@ Dox47

Quite frankly I couldn't care less what you think about me. But don't come crying to me when stuff happens that I warned them about.


You're largely missing my point; it's not your ideology I'm objecting to but the way in which you present it. There have been times when I've agreed with something you've said, but you've so completely destroyed your credibility as a poster here that defending you would be embarrassing. I've got my own ways of fighting the creeping encroachment of big government, and they don't involve endlessly parroting political entertainers either.


Thing is I haven't been parroting anything, if the "political entertainer" is saying something that the facts I have found through research match up, I'm gonna agree with that individual. Thing is Dox47, I think I have given a fairly good case as to the fact Fox News is a legitimate source. No matter how you slice it, people consider Fox News to be the most credible news media outlet.

So what. Only conservatives find Glenn Beck credible.



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04 Jan 2011, 6:36 pm

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Your notions of "liberal" and "conservative" are comical. I won't even bother addressing them.


:roll:

What, you're telling me that liberals aren't for gun-control, aren't pro-union, are not for big government, etc.?



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05 Jan 2011, 12:56 am

Pro-union is pro-middle class. Anti-union is anti-middle class. If the Right say they're against the middle class they're welcome to say so, and they do again and again and again. My question is why middle class people would vote for such enemies.



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05 Jan 2011, 8:59 am

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Pro-union is pro-middle class. Anti-union is anti-middle class. If the Right say they're against the middle class they're welcome to say so, and they do again and again and again. My question is why middle class people would vote for such enemies.


Middle class? Like the Teamsters or the Long Shoremen, run by gangster thugs.

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05 Jan 2011, 1:50 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
You seriously, underestimate the intelligence of the American People. Quite frankly, just because one is an intellectual, doesn't mean they can't also be an idiot when it comes to common sense and critical thinking.


Irony, thy name is Inuyasha.

At least I cannot be accused of underestimating your intelligence.


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05 Jan 2011, 1:54 pm

ruveyn wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
Pro-union is pro-middle class. Anti-union is anti-middle class. If the Right say they're against the middle class they're welcome to say so, and they do again and again and again. My question is why middle class people would vote for such enemies.


Middle class? Like the Teamsters or the Long Shoremen, run by gangster thugs.

This is hardly an indictment against the right of workers to unionize. If unions are involved in illegal or criminal activities they will face the legal consequences like any other individual, company, or political action group would. You are not aware of the widespread illegal and criminal activities that were in the not too distant past employed by industry to break unions and violate workers rights? To oppose unions is not in the true libertarian spirit, its simply a cynical form of class warfare against the working class.