Vermont Proposes Resolution To Ban ‘Corporate Personhood’
"Elect representatives to represent us" is the definition of representative democracy, NOT republic. Republic has a much broader meaning which you are obviously ignorant of. I should not be surprised, given your overall weak understanding of history.
You are incorrect. That would be a direct democracy. Most democracies are not direct democracies, although many systems are mixed with the use of referenda and other ballot issues. A republic, in general, need not have elections to be categorized as such. America is both a democracy and a republic, though an imperfect example of either.
The two are not mutually exclusive. The qualifying traits to be considered a Republic are mostly to do with the structure of government (lack of a powerful monarch, established laws usually through a constitution of some form) while the defining characteristics of a Democracy have to do with who can be involved in government (all citizens).
Fair enough. I tend to think that whatever one is allowed to do, the other should also be permitted.
Right-wingers do the same. I remember one of my high school teachers telling us how his wife forbade him to shop at a hardware store that donated money to Planned Parenthood.
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"Elect representatives to represent us" is the definition of representative democracy, NOT republic. Republic has a much broader meaning which you are obviously ignorant of. I should not be surprised, given your overall weak understanding of history.
Republic. In Latin, res publica or public thing. Which is to say, that the power of the state either resides in or is derived from the people (collectively) acting as a body politic. Democratic representation is one means (among several) for the people to act as a body politic. A republic is contrasted to an absolute monarchy where the power of the State (or Realm) is vested in one person and the people are subject to his will. In an oligarchy the power of the State is vested in the few that constitute the ruling entity of the State. The oligarchs are not accountable to the people.
In a republic, the head of state or executive of the state (either singular or committee of some sort) is accountable to the people (acting in the capacity of a body politic). The accountability is often implemented as accountability under public law. In an absolute monarchy, the monarch is accountable to no human agency. Under the theory of Divine Right, the monarch is accountable only to God who granted to the monarch the authority to rule (or govern). In effect, the monarch is the surrogate of God under the doctrine of Divine Appointment. The voice of the monarch is the Voice of God (on Earth).
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Uh and this includes Death Threats?
There have been plenty of death threats against pro-choice politicians. Representative Bart Stupak (D), who ironically has probably been more effective than any other single Congressman in advancing the pro-life cause, received untold numbers of death threats from right-wingers after one of his colleagues shouted "Baby killer!" at him. Previously obscure individuals who Glenn Beck listed as part of the "intelligent minority" that allegedly secretly controls the world have received death threats. President Obama receives more than 400% as many death threats as President Bush ever did.
More seriously than that, there have been a number of people who made good on their threats and killed (or attempted to kill) abortion providers. When was the last time someone was assassinated for their pro-life stance?
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Uh and this includes Death Threats?
There have been plenty of death threats against pro-choice politicians. Representative Bart Stupak (D), who ironically has probably been more effective than any other single Congressman in advancing the pro-life cause, received untold numbers of death threats from right-wingers after one of his colleagues shouted "Baby killer!" at him. Previously obscure individuals who Glenn Beck listed as part of the "intelligent minority" that allegedly secretly controls the world have received death threats. President Obama receives more than 400% as many death threats as President Bush ever did.
More seriously than that, there have been a number of people who made good on their threats and killed (or attempted to kill) abortion providers. When was the last time someone was assassinated for their pro-life stance?
Yeah but all that is from liberal sources so they're obviously lying and the liberals are liars on top of being blood-thirsty killers who want to enslave humanity.
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Apparently the pro-choice nut murdered two people.
Then we have incidents involving assault with a deadly weapon:
Fort Madison, Iowa – Pro-lifers with graphic signs were attacked by a man wielding a club during a protest at a Hillary Clinton campaign stop in Fort Madison, Iowa, on Friday, yet responding police threatened to arrest the pro-lifers if they did not immediately leave the public sidewalk. The incident was captured on video. (View video below.)
Police were parked across the street from where Dan Holman of Missionaries to the Pre-Born was standing on a public sidewalk on December 7, when a man in a pickup truck got out of his vehicle and approached Holman with a club, shouting at him to get off his property. Holman was attacked and struck with the club.
“The man continued to try and assault me in the presence of three Fort Madison police officers,” Holman told Operation Rescue. “Rather than arresting the attacker the police threatened to arrest me! The police acknowledged that I was on a public right of way but said our presence posed a traffic hazard.”
Police told Holman that if he wanted charges pressed against the man with the club, he would have to go to the police station and fill out a report. Holman complied with the order to leave under threat of arrest, and later filed a complaint against his attacker, identified as Jim Mitchell. Holman is considering legal action against the Fort Madison Police.
Holman’s group was protesting Clinton, a radical supporter of abortion, in advance of the Iowa Caucuses, which will be held on January 3, 2008. He has protested Clinton at 32 of her Iowa appearances.
http://www.operationrescue.org/archives ... n-protest/
The numbers don't match up; the overwhelming majority of the violence between pro-lifers and pro-choicers has gone in the other direction.
But in any case, your initial point has been disproved. Right-wingers issue death threats to their political opponents on a regular basis, significantly more frequently than left-wingers.
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But in any case, your initial point has been disproved. Right-wingers issue death threats to their political opponents on a regular basis, significantly more frequently than left-wingers.
First you claim that Left wingers don't use violence and I debunk that, now you're claiming that you've proven me wrong. The fact that the MSM only chooses to report one side doesn't mean it isn't happening on the other side.
Or are you saying that it's okay for Pro-abortion parties to shoot people and/or beat people with clubs.
You really can't read. You claimed that the left would target corporations that contribute to the right, I pointed out that the right does so to the left, you denied that, I proved you wrong.
No. Please refrain from making false statements about my position. Violence is the wrong way to do things.
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You really can't read. You claimed that the left would target corporations that contribute to the right, I pointed out that the right does so to the left, you denied that, I proved you wrong.
I never denied there are nuts that would make death threats. However the right doesn't have the Feds trying to get people's names to release to the public so they can be targetted either.
No. Please refrain from making false statements about my position. Violence is the wrong way to do things.
I should have used a question mark instead of period, that was a typo, I was asking a question Orwell.
Actually it makes more sense that pro-lifers would kill abortionists, after all from their point of view the abortionists are legal murderers. This of course would put them on par with terrorists. But it doesn't really prove that the right wing is more violent than the left wing.
Corporate personality is, along with limited liability, an essential component of our legal and economic system.
Limited liability corporations allow individuals to invest in business activity without exposing themselves to risk beyond their investment. I put $1000 into ABC Corp., and the most I stand to lose is my $1000 investment if the company liquidates. If I going into partnership with the same investors, then my assets are available to the business' creditors to satisfy the business' debts. Meanwhile, corporate personality allows a corporation to make contracts, to sue and to be sued. These are similarly essential features of a capitalist system.
The idia in the Common Law that corporations are "legal persons" dates back to the foundation of the original corporations in the 17th century. It is not some new or novel idea. To throw it out entirely would create the potential for corporations to be able to exempt themselves from accountability unless each and every statute was examined for the implication of a change in the word, "person."
Now, if there are abuses (and I don't deny that there are) the english language is perfectly capable of distinguishment. Corporations are "legal persons" but they are not, "natural persons." Neither are they "individuals." So, in Canada, for example, the Charter of Rights confers certain rights on "individuals" that are clearly not enjoyed by corporations. Similarly, corporations are banned from making political contributions, unlike natural persons. The law is perfectly capable of accommodating these distinctions.
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All Inuyasha has to do is to declare the US a demoncrazy republic and then the corporation can be whatever he wants. And now he has derailed this thread with his antiabortion coalition trainwreck.
Poltics here is cheap.
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I haven't derailed anything, I was pointing out how the radical left will create laws to try to keep people and businesses from donating to Republicans, but will make exceptions for Unions.
That isn't derailing the topic, that is pointing out there may be a more self-serving interest in play (which is also the more likely explanation).
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