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25 Sep 2005, 1:02 am

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You projected your views about those on benefits in a rather arrogant fashion so i made my views about the situation known as well.


Just those who don't need em.

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You first insulted me by calling me arrogant as well, a common troll tactic. Even your signature is rather arrogant. I dont see anyone else here projecting their views onto others so blatantly in the form of a political sig.


Well, as it is I feel like I'm the only one who actuall has the beliefs I do. I used to not bang pots and pans but I've seen way too much 'hate Bush' arround here, even moreso at Aspie Hangout, and it just got me fed up. If liberals can do it, I can't see why it's so incorrect that I do it.

As for being a troll, no, I just have some pretty strong opinions and it seems you, I, and half the people arround here are no strangers to that. I'm a nice guy for the most part but when it comes to politics and political debate I guess I can get a little heated.


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25 Sep 2005, 1:06 am

I believe that Republicans are more in favour of big business and helping the rich and the Democrats believe more in tax and services. I also believe that Iraq was a mistake in terms of national security though it would be foolish for the US to pull out now that it has been commited to.



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25 Sep 2005, 1:10 am

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You projected your views about those on benefits in a rather arrogant fashion so i made my views about the situation known as well.


Just those who don't need em.

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You first insulted me by calling me arrogant as well, a common troll tactic. Even your signature is rather arrogant. I dont see anyone else here projecting their views onto others so blatantly in the form of a political sig.


Well, as it is I feel like I'm the only one who actuall has the beliefs I do. I used to not bang pots and pans but I've seen way too much 'hate Bush' arround here, even moreso at Aspie Hangout, and it just got me fed up. If liberals can do it, I can't see why it's so incorrect that I do it.

As for being a troll, no, I just have some pretty strong opinions and it seems you, I, and half the people arround here are no strangers to that. I'm a nice guy for the most part but when it comes to politics and political debate I guess I can get a little heated.


Fair enough, we all have our opinions. I have strong opinions myself. Id suggest part of the reason that aspie places seem to be more liberal/left-wing is because we are used to being the outsider and quite a few of us have disabilities. Turkey's dont vote for christmas. :)



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25 Sep 2005, 1:28 am

There is truth in the fact that Republicans are in favor of business, but then again they're a great friend of the sole proprieter and S-corps out there too which are usually the small mom and pop shops as well as those who are in the middle class and self-employed. A lot of what Kerry and Bush were debating about the 200,000 per year tax bracker were largely about just that (Kerry arguing it being protection of the rich, Bush indicated that in most of those cases, that range carried many sole proprietors and such who's personal income was the businesses net income which needed to be reinvested into the business and didn't constitute a take-home check per se).

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I also believe that Iraq was a mistake in terms of national security though it would be foolish for the US to pull out now that it has been commited to.


Iraq was wierd in that there were a dozen factors and it seems like only a couple really get talked about much in public discourse. A lot of what goes arround is about WMD's and I'll grant none were found. On the other hand there was the fact that our planes were getting fired at (there to prevent him from gasing the Kurds and Shiites), the fact that he paid the families of Palestinian suicide bombers huge rewards for the actions of their children, and we found out later on why were were better off not listening to the U.N. when we saw how deep the oil for food vouchers and other bribes from Sadam ran through that system. All those countries who opposed us had a high degree of illegal arms trade and the such with em and recieved more oil for food vouchers than the rest of the countries.

As for Bush not really defending his reasoning well, he's never really mentioned the fact that Iraq was the most seperated in terms of church and state of the 7 axis countries, had some of the most educated work force, and would have been the most ready to go as a democracy. If he would have explained to people better that much like in Sun Tzu 'Art of War' it was meant to have a psychological advantage in terms of making it so that hopefully the other countries those regions may want freedom and start their own revolutions and changes from within thus saving us the manpower and hopefully if given enough time make their wars far more on the political platform and with far less blood and dissaproval than what happened in Iraq (because it would be bottom up rather than top-down change). As it was, as direct effects with Iraq, you saw Libya take some major steps in the other direction on it's policies and you also saw Syria ease up on Lebanon a good deal - not a bad start.

In terms of national security I agree that North Korea may have been a better target and with the way the people are being starved over there it's pretty rough. On the other hand I think the idea was do what we could to win the psych war and talk to China and Japan about the problems in their own backyard. As it is that kind of worries me but again, there's probably lots the CIA and FBI know that we have no idea on.


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25 Sep 2005, 1:33 am

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Fair enough, we all have our opinions. I have strong opinions myself. Id suggest part of the reason that aspie places seem to be more liberal/left-wing is because we are used to being the outsider and quite a few of us have disabilities. Turkey's dont vote for christmas. :)


Yeah, that's the downside of conservatism - it's kinda insensitive to people more on the fringe. On the other hand though, any time I think about that I also think of a speech I saw on TV that Tammy Bruce gave at FSU maybe 6 or 7 months ago (used to be a major rally organizer for the left, now a republican, and a lesbian - something most people just don't think would happen); her reasoning resonated a lot like my own.

On my sig though I do think it's getting a little dated, I might end up looking for something else pretty soon.


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25 Sep 2005, 2:02 am

I think the war in Iraq has made more countries in the middle east harden their attitudes as opposed to soften them. The rebels have had easy passage over Iran and Syrias borders and Iran has took advantage of the war by hastening their nuclear program. I have also noticed a hardening of muslims that already feel persecuted by the west. Even here in Britain there has been a rise in fundamentalist muslims since the Iraq war.



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25 Sep 2005, 5:47 am

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If they can function sub-optimally as revolving-door/seasonal low-status/skill employees in between periods of unemployment, then they might just be left to get on with it.


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I don't see why people with AS should be confined to wage-slave type jobs just because they have a disability.


Neither do I think that should be the case. That has been my employment history though and the argument that this form of work may be all that I am capable is disproved by my going to college and qualifying, as well as being a self-taught web designer and programmer.

It often is the fate of people who have poor social skills and a poor work record to end up on the employment scrap-heap and this has always been one of the things that has annoyed me.


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25 Sep 2005, 5:50 am

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Yes, for Adult children that is very much the case.


An adult child is someone who comes on the internet, constantly whining about the whole world being against him and making up rules to keep him from a good career, social life etc and not accepting the fact that he is just an annoying, untalented person that nobody wants to be around and isnt good enough to do a well waged job imo.


Anyone in mind? After all, that type of comment could be applied to lots of people, if taken to extremes.


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25 Sep 2005, 8:56 am

I guess I don't literally, I do have a small part-time job here at college, but I might as well. Hopefully that wil change after graduation.


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25 Sep 2005, 11:53 am

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Anyone in mind? After all, that type of comment could be applied to lots of people, if taken to extremes.


It's fairly obvious i mean you. You seem to that everything is designed to be against you personally. I think you've got a persecution complex. I didnt mention it before but since you attacked people like me that are on benefits as being "adult children" and didnt seem to want to explain why it wasnt derogatory when i asked you, then i thought it was only fair you were attacked yourselve being as you arent perfect either.



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25 Sep 2005, 5:10 pm

I'm 23. I recently graduated from college with a BA in English and a few months later finally got my driver's license.

But that's about it. I still have a crappy job that will only give me one 6 hour shift per week, no car, and no money. I'll be forced to live off my parents for a while longer, until I can find a real job (and perhaps go to Grad School).

But if I had a well-paying job and a car, you can bet I'd bolt from my parent's house instantly. I think I'll move in with Serissa.


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25 Sep 2005, 5:19 pm

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Anyone in mind? After all, that type of comment could be applied to lots of people, if taken to extremes.


It's fairly obvious i mean you


Yes, indeed, you are right it was fairly obvious. I wanted to see if you had the courage of your convictions to spell it out, though I need not have worried on that matter too much. Your track record of insulting and abusing people does seem fairly conspicuous.

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You seem to that everything is designed to be against you personally. I think you've got a persecution complex. I didnt mention it before but since you attacked people like me that are on benefits as being "adult children" and didnt seem to want to explain why it wasnt derogatory when i asked you, then i thought it was only fair you were attacked yourselve being as you arent perfect either.


Now, to set the record straight and hopefully retrieve the misunderstandings that appear to have arisen:

1). At what point did you ask for clarifcation concerning my response to the other poster? If I had seen it, I would surely have responded.

2). When I said 'Adult Children' I literally meant children of Adult age, for example, if I had a Son of 25 years, he would be my Adult Child. That means that although chronologically he is an Adult, from my point of view he would still be my Child.

And you accuse me of having a persecution complex?

3). I have absolutely no issues about people claiming any benefits whatsoever. In fact, I think the more people who do claim what they are entitled to, the better it is for all of us because it forces up wages for those on lower incomes, as employers find it less easy to 'churn' their workforce.

The amounts governments spend on welfare systems pale into insignificance beside the vast sums they routinely pour into arms and weaponry and other pursuits that are 'anti-human'. Also connected to this, is the fact that I have claimed benefits in the past, am currently unemployed so am on benefits now and even when I get a job, the possibility exists that I could be on benefits in the future.

Before you launch in on an attack against someone (something I have seen you do elsewhere), it might be a good idea to seek clarification first.

Your attempts to belittle and diminish things I have said seem to reflect your own self-esteem issues, rather than anything to do with myself. Furthermore, these self-esteem issues seem to be made manifest in your assumption of personal slight where there was none.[/list][/list]


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25 Sep 2005, 6:54 pm

Well i did write asking you what you meant exactly and you had came online and made a few posts since and so i presumed you werent answering me so edited my comment. I am used to people online insulting those on receipt of benefits and comparing them to needy children, that is what i thought you were doing. I have also seen you be quite disparaging about certain groups including marxists but nonetheless i have made a mistake and apologise. Usually my posts are righteous and true but i had clearly got a hold of the wrong end of the stick here.



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25 Sep 2005, 7:00 pm

Fair enough. Thanks for apologising. I, too have seen extremely ignorant and small-minded comments aimed at those on benefits. Private individuals posting them on the internet is one thing. Seeing them in 'mainstream' newspapers is something else entirely. Although I do think that attacks against people on benefits in community forums should be challenged wherever possible.

As regards comments I have made abouts Marxists, it is some elements of 'organised' marxists I have doubts about, not necessarily some of the principles.

The only 'marxists' I have my doubts about are the 'champaign socialist' varieties who are probably not real Marxists anyway. Genuinely committed political activists (unless they're fascists), who stand by their principles are to be respected, even if I do not always agree with everything they say.


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