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01 Apr 2011, 6:36 pm

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i understand and agreed with you ice ages ago that wanton pride gets out of hand.even if you dont like me how can you not know me by now.all im saying is that your belief that everyone is so intoxicated with pride,self rightiousness and bigotry is paranoid and not saported by the facts.also egoistic bigotry is a problem through out the autism spectrum and disability movement in general and focusing your attention on the aspie,hfa crowd is a mistake


As I said before I focus on the extremes to find a middle. It seems to me pride in autism itself is a mistake and is wrong headed. It does not at all make sense. I never said everyone is intoxicated in pride and I've made myself clear before. Where I live it's people that are high functioning primarily in cognition that participate in work groups. Also Asperger's syndrome does not quality and it was some people with A.S that attacked my organization. I know many high functioning people and they are not radicals, egotistical bigots or self-righteous imposers. Pride seems to be a special category and there is no pride in a disorder I've noticed where I live. It's fanatical online and highly destructive at times.


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01 Apr 2011, 6:46 pm

Mr. Vermont Syrup,

Look at this post. This differs in context to what I'm speaking. This is about acceptance of what is and it doesn't seem to be conflict orientated.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt148484.html


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01 Apr 2011, 6:56 pm

ok fair enough.about no pride in disorder,never underestimate people ability to be proud of just about anything.people will find a way to be proud of just about anything.if your so into middle why do you disagree with me so much.im always taking a moderate position



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01 Apr 2011, 7:00 pm

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i understand and agreed with you ice ages ago that wanton pride gets out of hand.even if you dont like me how can you not know me by now.all im saying is that your belief that everyone is so intoxicated with pride,self rightiousness and bigotry is paranoid and not saported by the facts.also egoistic bigotry is a problem through out the autism spectrum and disability movement in general and focusing your attention on the aspie,hfa crowd is a mistake


As I said before I focus on the extremes to find a middle. It seems to me pride in autism itself is a mistake and is wrong headed. It does not at all make sense. I never said everyone is intoxicated in pride and I've made myself clear before. Where I live it's people that are high functioning primarily in cognition that participate in work groups. Also Asperger's syndrome does not quality and it was some people with A.S that attacked my organization. I know many high functioning people and they are not radicals, egotistical bigots or self-righteous imposers. Pride seems to be a special category and there is no pride in a disorder I've noticed where I live. It's fanatical online and highly destructive at times.


why doesnt AS qualify?(asuming mistype here, if not sorry)

@vermont yeah, i feel the same way about the middle ground.


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01 Apr 2011, 7:10 pm

I did not know we disagreed so much. As some others say pride is the wrong word. Soon as you want to have pride in a disorder your going to have hurt feelings because people perceive that is what hinders them. Acceptance of people and how they are differs then a pride in a disorder which is about a label talking about functional limitations and what hinders. A whole person may comprise some of what hinders but also the I suppose spirit and mind of that individual. Rejecting an individual differs from rejecting a disability to seek to improve it.


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01 Apr 2011, 7:17 pm

The new ASD criterion may change that. I have HFA. However services are for those that need supportive living and inclusion assistance. Things like getting to the grocery store, management of life and related. Why would an engineer, scientists or PHD graduate like ASAN is comprised of in the alike in their leadership need social services. It's why I think they may be political special interest that seek to really evade needed services with poor representation. The diagnostic spectrum may be narrowing and there is belief in some circles I've noticed that states a person could have a history of autism but no longer be diagnosable because the diagnoses is about functional criteria. Early diagnoses seems to be about early intervention to lesson the effects of autism on into adulthood. I am not an expert at these things and pick up some as I go.


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01 Apr 2011, 7:28 pm

aside from the fact that arogance and pride are a human problem in general.why do you see pride as such a problem in the politics of autism.it seems you over focus on that.as i said before where's the beef.i dont see autstic pride hindering treatment and services i also dont think it helps either.@oodain im glad your from denmark a great country my grandmother was from there.i have never been there,but my father did go to cobenhavn,i think that the right spelling



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01 Apr 2011, 7:54 pm

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aside from the fact that arogance and pride are a human problem in general.why do you see pride as such a problem in the politics of autism.it seems you over focus on that.as i said before where's the beef.i dont see autstic pride hindering treatment and services i also dont think it helps either.@oodain im glad your from denmark a great country my grandmother was from there.i have never been there,but my father did go to cobenhavn,i think that the right spelling



Pride advocates have gone well out of the way to be destructive toward other pursuits and the pride propagandists typically invents into, straight out lies or imagines things. Such as saying people had autism when scientifically those famous people were never proven to have autism. As a self-esteem builder I get why they say those things but as a politic front building peoples self of esteem to go against peoples human rights to a cure was it's downfall. I can fully understand being proud of oneself and not living life as if one is defective but realizing one has a disability is the truth but no need to focus on it. If someone has autism but is able to function very well without assistance it's hard to believe they actually have autism let alone should they have the gulls to evade cure for those not as fortunate.

I've told you why I focus on it. This is a popular web forum and I've given it 4 months of my life to influence people. It is part of my job technically but realistically it's a protectionist study should my own organization for inclusion be attacked again. I believe organization should work together despite differences but it's hard to when one mention of the likes of Autism Speaks has politically programmed people thinking they are the Jews and it's WWII for crying out loud.

I am able to blend concepts, issues and what not like others along with sublime notions of and relating to in a creative writting fashion. I enjoy writing strategy. Just doing so to get the same kind of attention others do when they say others are Nazi's. This to balance it out with one extreme to another then folding in to the middle of rationality.

I like WWII history.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvL0tj9ZaoY[/youtube]


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