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Do you agree with the establishment of a neurodiverse commune?
Yes 44%  44%  [ 12 ]
No 37%  37%  [ 10 ]
Other (Please Explain) 19%  19%  [ 5 ]
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20 May 2011, 5:25 pm

Hello,

Recently It crossed my mind about what would happen if we assembled 1000-10000 neurodiverse individuals and formed a community? What are your thoughts...



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20 May 2011, 5:34 pm

It would need to have a lot of rooms. Personally I'd like to meet some Aspies, but I need my space, so I'm not sure I could cope with a commune.



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20 May 2011, 5:35 pm

It depends on how it's organised, if we're going to emulate NT society then no thanks.

The way I see an autistic society being run is as a technocratic communism, direct democracy.


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20 May 2011, 6:12 pm

Other. "Establishment of a neurodiverse commune" is a very broad statement. Done well, it might be an interesting idea. Done badly, it would be as huge a disaster as many other communes have turned out to be.

The exact individuals taking part would make a huge difference. The legal framework under which it was set up would make a huge difference. The system of governance would make a huge difference. The duties and privileges of being a member of such a commune would make a huge difference.

In general, this sort of things tends to be very difficult to do well. On the other hand, many things truly worth doing are difficult. If the effort to establish such a community offered reasonable hope of overcoming the difficulty, I'd think it was a great idea. If it turned out to be simply one of those vaguely thought out, idealistic dreams doomed to certain failure, I'd think it would be better to skip the disaster phase and just go straight "back" to where the commune no longer exists - in other words, give up.


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20 May 2011, 6:55 pm

I haven't voted yet, partly because I get hung up on the wording of questions, and partly to see if someone makes a point that changes my current perspective.

I don't disagree.

I've read up a little on communes, as I have lived in cooperatives in cities, and have an interest in it practically and theoretically.

Whether I'd participate depends on too many factors to consider in the abstract. I'd have to decide when the opportunity arose.

I doubt whether existing communes are neuromonolithic, anyway. They tend toward egalitarianism.


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20 May 2011, 8:27 pm

Under what economic and sociopolitical model?


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20 May 2011, 9:44 pm

Much like the hippies....

But with computers..

And no protests and no drugs..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC3LryTjYqw[/youtube]


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20 May 2011, 10:21 pm

ci wrote:
Much like the hippies....

But with computers..

And no protests and no drugs..


The whole hippie thing is way over romanticized.

I presume you are talking a socialist model?

Why did all the hippie communes fail?


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20 May 2011, 10:24 pm

Humor. I do not believe in aspie commune nor really understand the desire for it. I'd like to live in a gated like disability community with gardening and that offered group activities but most of the time I wouldn't partake.

Space Commune Meditation..

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21 May 2011, 5:27 am

drgreen19 wrote:
Hello,

Recently It crossed my mind about what would happen if we assembled 1000-10000 neurodiverse individuals and formed a community? What are your thoughts...
I prefer we assemble 1000-10000 neurodiverse individuals and draw them to live in the same neighborhood.
Everyone will manage his/her own private lives, but we could have lots of common cultural activities in the evenings and at weekends.


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21 May 2011, 5:34 am

What do you mean by 'neurodiverse'? Does this include people with ADHD, dyslexia, etc.?



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21 May 2011, 5:49 am

wavefreak58 wrote:

Why did all the hippie communes fail?



Can I be the charismatic leader with all the teenage wives?



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21 May 2011, 5:57 am

Burzum wrote:
What do you mean by 'neurodiverse'? Does this include people with ADHD, dyslexia, etc.?
Yes, it does.


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21 May 2011, 6:14 am

I lived in comunes before. Some are great, and others are terrible diasters not wanting to repeat.

my question is what if our traits and interests clash?

example: what if you had those who had severe sensory issues being totally stressed out by those with loud repetivitive stims? How would that be prevented?

what about those who are more religious being bombarded by militant athiests...you kinow those who are believers are an abused minority on this site. Not that all athiests are like that but some can be very aggressive without much warning.

what about those who specail interests are politics...how would you keep the lefties and the righties from doing drive by shootings at each other...(just an exageration for visual imagery)?


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21 May 2011, 8:02 am

jojobean wrote:
what about those who specail interests are politics...how would you keep the lefties and the righties from doing drive by shootings at each other...(just an exageration for visual imagery)?


Well, this one's easy. Require that everyone (of age) carry at all times. 8)

Ever been to a biker bar? I mean, a real, one percenter type of place? Heinlein was right when he said, "An armed society is a polite society." Even serious bad-a553s tend to self censor when they know there's a very high probability that the other person has a hand cannon in their pocket! :lol:



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21 May 2011, 8:31 am

I've thought more about this.

Perhaps we could segregate the community and have half of it as a left wing technocratic communist utopia and the other half as a traditionalist god fearing right wing gated community with a mayor.
(centrists can feck off)

My family all visited and briefly lived in communes years ago, I have a vague idea of what it's like, far more so then a modern society it depends on each persons personality

Maybe we could have a small group of NT's stay to do things we can't, like venture out into the real world and not come back traumatised.


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