BBFC bans Human Centipede II outright...

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13 Jun 2011, 5:43 am

That's a very odd decision from the ACB. Considering that the uncut version of Caligula is still banned there, when it was given an '18' uncut here in the UK a few years ago. And Baise-moi is available here in the UK in a cut version, where it was banned altogether in Australia.

To add to that though, the Australians have (eventually) passed I Spit On Your Grave and Cannibal Holocaust through uncut where these are still censored in the UK to varying degrees, I Spit still missing three minutes of footage while Cannibal Holocaust just misses the scene with the muskrat. And Love Camp 7 was banned outright here in the UK eight years ago but was released in Australia fully uncut. The BBFC cut the original release of Death Wish II by almost four minutes and a similar amount of cuts remains on the UK DVD - the film is totally uncut in Australia.

So it's swings and roundabouts.



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13 Jun 2011, 6:09 am

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Tequila, any chance such films are one of your 'special interests' - or do censorship issues come under the general politics interest?


I've had an interest in censorship of films for a long time, and with censorship in general. I've seen many of the films banned in the UK from the last 30 years, including a quarter of the films on the DPP's 72 list of "banned" films - or, in other words, I've seen most of the ones that appeal to me. The stronger ones, in other words.

Some of the films are very good, most of them are awful but there were some gems in them.

I tend not to want to watch the stuff the BBFC bans outright these days because it's just not fun. In the old days, the BBFC banned simple exploitation films with sleaze and gore. These were often a lot of fun. Some of these films are cut these days but the cuts are usually minor if they are cut at all. Occasionally, films that focus on rape/sexual violence get cut a lot more - for instance, three minutes was cut out of I Spit On Your Grave (1978) recently, thereby I would imagine lessening its impact. I would be very interested to see how much they would cut from an uncut edition of House on the Edge of the Park; in the early 2000s the UK release had nearly 12 minutes cut from it! Releasing a film that has been cut that much (which isn't porn) is essentially pointless.

Torture porn is in a different league altogether, although it does have its followers. The videos (not films for a cinema release - the last film to have been refused a cinema release was ten years ago and was The Last House on the Left - which has since been passed uncut for video - I've had three copies of that film at various times) to have been refused a video release in last couple of years include:

The Texas Vibrator Massacre: a gleeful porn piss-take of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, with a vibrator acting as a substitute for the chainsaw. Basically, women get raped with vibrators. So that one went in the bin.

Weeds - Season 2: Cream of the Crop: A short DVD extra filmed in the style of a cookery programme that detailed all the illegal drugs. Basically, the extra was seen to promote illegal drugs due to a "lack of context".

Grotesque: Japanese torture porn. Sexual violence and torture throughout got this one banned.

Struggle in Bondage: Hardline BDSM porn.

Murder-Set-Pieces: Successive scenes of sexual violence, torture and graphic murder of women (so extensive that they cannot be removed); young children are amongst those terrorised and killed. I think there is a particularly nasty scene in this one where a small child is convinced that his mother (who was one of the set people) is dead for real.

Lost in the Hood: Gay "rape fantasy" porn.

My Daughter's a Cocksucker: Incest porn.

NF713: Extreme BDSM porn.



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13 Jun 2011, 6:17 am

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Why can't it at least be in more adult shops. Why not make it like the NC-17 video games. Also isnt it just going to be released on dvd.


The point is that it can't now be released in the UK at all, in any form - the BBFC have refused to grant a certificate to a DVD release (all films, apart from certain exempt educational titles must have a BBFC certificate to be sold here), meaning the film is effectively banned in the UK. The BBFC have stated that probably no release of this film would be acceptable to them. They'll probably appeal this one and it may get through in a censored version but from the way they make it sound, quite a bit would have to be removed first. The distributors might win a partial victory on this one but that will not please Tom Six at all.

It may get a release in countries like Denmark, where there is no film censorship system in place - soon after the BBFC ban on Murder Set Pieces the film was to be found on Copenhagen shelves, uncut, with the regular Danish 15 rating.

There is an 'R18' category but that is only for porn that is sold in licensed sex shops and that is a very limited market (lots of porn that is easily available on the Internet would be cut or refused an 'R18' rating) as well as being very expensive for the punter. So most people just buy their DVDs online - or download, as is more often the case now.



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13 Jun 2011, 6:24 am

So the ban includes Scotland. And it really sucks that you have to buy more racier movies online.


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13 Jun 2011, 6:41 am

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So the ban includes Scotland.


< sigh >

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a union of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The BBFC's remit extends to the United Kingdom but in practice, the same version released for the UK market will also be released in the Republic of Ireland as well for economic reasons (doesn't make a lot of sense releasing a separate version for the Irish when the market is so small - Irish ratings are similar to the UK ones, though can vary a bit and very occasionally a DVD gets banned in Ireland that is available in the UK). And the Crown Dependencies of the Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey together with the Overseas Territory of Gibraltar will stock UK DVDs with the UK rating on them.

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And it really sucks that you have to buy more racier movies online.


It really is pointless trying to ban a film like this in this day and age from a censorship perspective as anyone that really wants to see it will easily be able to pirate an uncut version from somewhere pretty much as soon as it's released. I suspect this is more about the BBFC saying "we find this unacceptable" / protecting the film industry from the Daily Mail mob rather than anything else.

(Though there is some worry that the film could fall under the Dangerous Pictures Act, which was a very vague piece of law enacted a few years ago and has seen quite a few people with material considered "dodgy" but not involving kids or animals being sent to prison. This has some of the BDSM community very worried.)



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13 Jun 2011, 6:45 am

In a case like this, it depends how many other countries ban or severely censor it.



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13 Jun 2011, 7:01 am

I was just wishing it wasnt banned in Scotland in case I ever visited there. I know Scotland is in the UK, just hope.


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13 Jun 2011, 12:35 pm

In fact, Scotland is displaying a surprisingly illiberal streak of its own in relation to alcohol pricing at the moment. Scotland is a very socialist country, more so even than England. In fact, there is quite a bit of tension here between England and the non-English parts of the UK due to subsidies, devolution and Scottish/Welsh/Ulster MPs being able to vote on issues that affect only England when English MPs can't do the same because they are devolved matters.

Whereabouts would you go in Scotland? The UK is a much bigger place than you'd think.



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13 Jun 2011, 12:49 pm

My Grandma went to see the Huntley castle so maybe there. Also the uk banned Grotesque.


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13 Jun 2011, 7:56 pm

Tequila wrote:
That's a very odd decision from the ACB. Considering that the uncut version of Caligula is still banned there, when it was given an '18' uncut here in the UK a few years ago. And Baise-moi is available here in the UK in a cut version, where it was banned altogether in Australia.

To add to that though, the Australians have (eventually) passed I Spit On Your Grave and Cannibal Holocaust through uncut where these are still censored in the UK to varying degrees, I Spit still missing three minutes of footage while Cannibal Holocaust just misses the scene with the muskrat. And Love Camp 7 was banned outright here in the UK eight years ago but was released in Australia fully uncut. The BBFC cut the original release of Death Wish II by almost four minutes and a similar amount of cuts remains on the UK DVD - the film is totally uncut in Australia.

So it's swings and roundabouts.


Yea I'll admit the ACB has made some bad decisions or good ones depending on your pov. Like the UK "A Serbian Film" is cut here too, due for release in August. Salo was banned here for years and got a release on dvd/blu-ray last year uncut. Why? for the extras. In short censorship is a real joke sometimes.


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14 Jun 2011, 6:22 am

What the BBFC are doing is pointless because thanks to the internet this film could still easily be downloaded and watched.


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14 Jun 2011, 7:08 am

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What the BBFC are doing is pointless because thanks to the internet this film could still easily be downloaded and watched.


The point has been made though that the film might fall foul of the DPA, especially if, say, the person downloading it as a lot of other similar material.



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15 Jun 2011, 12:58 am

Frankly, I've got to say this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life. Being a silly American, I was before reading this completely unaware that your government could do that. That's ridiculous. That's.... Christ, the government is not supposed to be there to be your mommy. The government of the FREE world is supposed to be there for one purpose and one purpose only: to keep the people of a country from infringing upon one another's FREEDOM and to keep other nations from infringing upon the FREEDOM of the country's citizens. And to preform basic public services. So two reasons, I guess. Or three if you won't allow the first to stand as a singular goal.

I have got absolutely no interest in seeing the Human Centipede II. To be frank, just reading the back of the first DVD nearly made me sick and I'm a horror fan. (Not that I really consider this movie to be horror unless it's meant in the sense of "horrible," but that's an argument for another time.) But just because I think the world would be a better place if it didn't exist doesn't mean that I've got the right to force my views on the rest of the world.

I think that's the biggest thing that's wrong with the world today. People think they've got the right to force their views on others. You can see it on an individual level and you can see it on a grand scale too, like we have here or when you're looking at world politics. Everyone's terrified America's trying to force their world view on the world and America's terrified the non-free world's going to rise up and force their world view on the world. Take it down to the individual level and you've got things like how conservatives and strongly religious folk are trying to force their view on the world while they're secretly terrified that their way of life is being challenged, same with the liberals and "alternative lifestyle" folk. Take it to an even smaller level and you get things the NT people bullying people like us because we don't fit into their world view and every single form of discrimination you can think of.

Every single person in this world needs to grow up and realize that there is no such thing as one "right" for everyone. Even murder can be right. If people are so damn concerned with protecting their beliefs, they need to stop being such hypocritical jackasses and let other people do the same with their own beliefs. The Human Centipede II is probably a glorious example of bad taste and a misuse of modern technology. It's probably a monstrous creation with no artistic value that doesn't deserve to be defended. But nobody in this world has the right to tell me whether or not I can watch it but ME. And every individual in this world should be able to say that.

You know, I've never really had any interest in visiting the UK. Americans all seem to be fascinated with it. They want to go to London and see the pretty buildings. Me, I always figured it'd be like America except with British accents and tea. But I live in the south so we've got tea here too! Iced sweat tea, but the point stands. Now... Oh, UK, I am so disappointed in you. I think I'm now going to have to make a point of avoiding the UK, just out of spite. (Which will be incredibly hypocritical since I'd really love to go to China. You know, the communist country. But at least there I'm aware I'm out of the bounds of the free world. I won't have to be worried the government's going to be sneaky about it's human rights violations. D :<)

Well, since you can buy it online, saying it's a human rights violation might be a bit... hyperbolic. Doesn't make it any more acceptable, though.



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24 Aug 2017, 8:07 pm

Btw, on A Clockwork Orange, I believe it was the director Kubrick who had it pulled from British cinemas because he had had threats made to him and his family because of the film.