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12 Aug 2011, 5:39 pm

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Fundamentalists tend to have morally absolutist, exclusionary ideals and have zero tolerance for any deviation in their pre-conceived code of ethics. That's why fundamentalists don't have any problems killing others that might have similar beliefs--they don't have the same ideals and don't embrace the same lifestyle as the fundamentalists and are therefore infidels (so you should probably be careful in saying that people who bomb abortion clinics aren't really Christian). The opposite of a fundamentalist would either be a relativist or a pluralist.


Jesus promoted nonviolence.


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12 Aug 2011, 5:43 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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Fundamentalists tend to have morally absolutist, exclusionary ideals and have zero tolerance for any deviation in their pre-conceived code of ethics. That's why fundamentalists don't have any problems killing others that might have similar beliefs--they don't have the same ideals and don't embrace the same lifestyle as the fundamentalists and are therefore infidels (so you should probably be careful in saying that people who bomb abortion clinics aren't really Christian). The opposite of a fundamentalist would either be a relativist or a pluralist.


Jesus promoted nonviolence.


And look how he ended up.

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12 Aug 2011, 5:53 pm

ruveyn wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
TheSnarkKnight wrote:
Fundamentalists tend to have morally absolutist, exclusionary ideals and have zero tolerance for any deviation in their pre-conceived code of ethics. That's why fundamentalists don't have any problems killing others that might have similar beliefs--they don't have the same ideals and don't embrace the same lifestyle as the fundamentalists and are therefore infidels (so you should probably be careful in saying that people who bomb abortion clinics aren't really Christian). The opposite of a fundamentalist would either be a relativist or a pluralist.

Jesus promoted nonviolence.

And look how he ended up.

And look at what He started.


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12 Aug 2011, 8:24 pm

Fnord wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
TheSnarkKnight wrote:
Fundamentalists tend to have morally absolutist, exclusionary ideals and have zero tolerance for any deviation in their pre-conceived code of ethics. That's why fundamentalists don't have any problems killing others that might have similar beliefs--they don't have the same ideals and don't embrace the same lifestyle as the fundamentalists and are therefore infidels (so you should probably be careful in saying that people who bomb abortion clinics aren't really Christian). The opposite of a fundamentalist would either be a relativist or a pluralist.

Jesus promoted nonviolence.

And look how he ended up.

And look at what He started.

And look at what he started and what we have today.



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13 Aug 2011, 12:13 am

CrinklyCrustacean wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
TheSnarkKnight wrote:
Fundamentalists tend to have morally absolutist, exclusionary ideals and have zero tolerance for any deviation in their pre-conceived code of ethics. That's why fundamentalists don't have any problems killing others that might have similar beliefs--they don't have the same ideals and don't embrace the same lifestyle as the fundamentalists and are therefore infidels (so you should probably be careful in saying that people who bomb abortion clinics aren't really Christian). The opposite of a fundamentalist would either be a relativist or a pluralist.

Jesus promoted nonviolence.

And look how he ended up.

And look at what He started.

And look at what he started and what we have today.


And so what we have today is the quote train.



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13 Aug 2011, 1:51 am

ruveyn wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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Fundamentalists tend to have morally absolutist, exclusionary ideals and have zero tolerance for any deviation in their pre-conceived code of ethics. That's why fundamentalists don't have any problems killing others that might have similar beliefs--they don't have the same ideals and don't embrace the same lifestyle as the fundamentalists and are therefore infidels (so you should probably be careful in saying that people who bomb abortion clinics aren't really Christian). The opposite of a fundamentalist would either be a relativist or a pluralist.


Jesus promoted nonviolence.


And look how he ended up.

ruveyn


According to canon he ended up resurrected. 8)



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13 Aug 2011, 2:23 am

techn0teen wrote:
CrinklyCrustacean wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
TheSnarkKnight wrote:
Fundamentalists tend to have morally absolutist, exclusionary ideals and have zero tolerance for any deviation in their pre-conceived code of ethics. That's why fundamentalists don't have any problems killing others that might have similar beliefs--they don't have the same ideals and don't embrace the same lifestyle as the fundamentalists and are therefore infidels (so you should probably be careful in saying that people who bomb abortion clinics aren't really Christian). The opposite of a fundamentalist would either be a relativist or a pluralist.

Jesus promoted nonviolence.

And look how he ended up.

And look at what He started.

And look at what he started and what we have today.


And so what we have today is the quote train.

Choo-choo! :D



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13 Aug 2011, 4:40 pm

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It is amazing when you consider the awful double standards there are regarding this.

Take your "militant" or "fundamentalist" atheists, like Dawkings. OMG he wrote books in which he says evolution is scientific fact! That's so awful.

Now take your militant religious people. Yes, those guys bombing abortion clinics.


If you can blame religion for the murder of abortionists then I can blame atheism for this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor


No, actually you can't.

Considering that communism was a cult of an ideology, which is basically a religion and how the main motivation in bombing abortion clinics, you have failed to defend your point.

FAIL.

Christian fundamentalists, push towards making public schools teach their beliefs. Impose hurtful laws of discrimination against others and do a bunch of other very sh***y thing. Besides of bombing abortion clinics, they also cause violence, as seen in Ireland.

Atheist "fundamentalist" flame people in internet forums. Oh boy, that's evil.


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13 Aug 2011, 5:28 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
a cult of an ideology, which is basically a religion

Not really, no.

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the main motivation in bombing abortion clinics

Is an ideology, not a religion.


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13 Aug 2011, 5:34 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
It is amazing when you consider the awful double standards there are regarding this.

Take your "militant" or "fundamentalist" atheists, like Dawkings. OMG he wrote books in which he says evolution is scientific fact! That's so awful.

Now take your militant religious people. Yes, those guys bombing abortion clinics.


If you can blame religion for the murder of abortionists then I can blame atheism for this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor


No, actually you can't.

Considering that communism was a cult of an ideology, which is basically a religion and how the main motivation in bombing abortion clinics, you have failed to defend your point.


All belief systems are based on dogma. The idea that atheism makes people's lives better is a dogma. The idea that religion will inevitably wither away is a dogma.

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Christian fundamentalists, push towards making public schools teach their beliefs. Impose hurtful laws of discrimination against others and do a bunch of other very sh***y thing. Besides of bombing abortion clinics, they also cause violence, as seen in Ireland.


Jesus Promoted nonviolnce and said “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” (Matthew 22:21) which is arguably a call for seperation of church and state. The anti-abortion militants are as far from the teachings of Jesus as Stalinism is from the beliefs of Richard Dawkins.

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Atheist "fundamentalist" flame people in internet forums. Oh boy, that's evil.

A Christian who actually reads the words of Jesus Christ doesn't do anything worse.


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13 Aug 2011, 7:35 pm

I understand the term "fundamentalist" to mean someone who adheres to the basics. The basics being scripture. Thus they take scripture litereally.

So we know what a christian, or a muslim fundamentalist is. Because we all know which books are considered scripture in christianity and in Islam ( the bible in one and both the bible and the Koran in the other).

So you have to figure out what text qualifies as the Atheist equivalent of "scripture", and then observe which athiests adhere to that scripture with more fervor than others to identify your "atheist fundamentalists".

What text would be "atheist scripture"?

I dont think there is any such thing.

So the term "atheist fundamentalist" is meaningless.

You can speak of "militant atheists", or "orthodox athiests", or fervent, or fantatical atheists. But not fundamentalist atheists.

What text is the foundation of Atheism? Novels by Ayn Rand? Books by Dawkins? The term is a joke.