Why do some atheists "blame it on religion"?

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22 Aug 2011, 9:43 am

jc6chan wrote:

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How many opposing armies have gone into battle with god on each of the sides?

True, but its used to boost the confidence of each side if people are told that their god is with them. I have already explained that the causes of wars are not as simple as their religion demanding it.

Your statement proves my point. Each side is being manipulated by those in power to commit violence against the othe group, in the name of god. IMO this is evil manifest.

In the main, it is not religion itself that causes wars, it is people using organised religion to manipulate others, often to do bad things that are against the respective religious teachings.

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22 Aug 2011, 11:56 am

Fnord wrote:

Science flies people to the moon.

Religion flies people into buildings.

Thank you for this.

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22 Aug 2011, 11:58 am

BassMan_720 wrote:

In the main, it is not religion itself that causes wars, it is people using organised religion to manipulate others, often to do bad things that are against the respective religious teachings.

Hyped-up group mentality. Hell yeah.

dopplercb wrote:

this thread makes me think the OP needs to read hitchens' ''god is not great''. excellent book about the evil of religion.

Which reminds me, I need to read that.

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22 Aug 2011, 12:50 pm

I'm an agnostic (I neither believe in, nor discredit any religion or atheism). I do, however, blame some things on religious fundamentals. Things such as homosexuality being unacceptable, and things such as feeling wrong to live together/have children without marriage, and making boys feel guilty for the need to do things that boys biologically need to do at a certain age, all of which can and will cause psychological damage to kids and adults. Particularly the LDS (Mormon) and the Catholic Churches, seem to be a bit stubborn on those subjects.

The other side of the discussion, would be that there are some people who might not have good direction in life, and affiliating with a religion will guide them to a rewarding and well-rounded life.

What's good for one might be bad for another, and nobody is qualified to judge that.

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22 Aug 2011, 6:19 pm

kx250rider wrote:

It's not just the boys.

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22 Aug 2011, 7:22 pm

jmnixon95 wrote:

'Cause they're cynical, hyper-pretentious douchebags who don't know how atheism should be done.

If you don't mind me asking, how do you think it ought to be done?

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22 Aug 2011, 7:32 pm

kx250rider wrote:

I'm an agnostic (I neither believe in, nor discredit any religion or atheism). I do, however, blame some things on religious fundamentals. Things such as homosexuality being unacceptable, and things such as feeling wrong to live together/have children without marriage, and making boys feel guilty for the need to do things that boys biologically need to do at a certain age, all of which can and will cause psychological damage to kids and adults. Particularly the LDS (Mormon) and the Catholic Churches, seem to be a bit stubborn on those subjects.

The other side of the discussion, would be that there are some people who might not have good direction in life, and affiliating with a religion will guide them to a rewarding and well-rounded life.

What's good for one might be bad for another, and nobody is qualified to judge that.

Charles

Can you give an example?

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22 Aug 2011, 8:11 pm

Fnord wrote:

Science flies people to the moon.

It did. It doesn't now, unfortunately.

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Religion flies people into buildings.

Actually that would be science + poor airport security + religion + extremism.

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22 Aug 2011, 8:11 pm

gailryder17 wrote:

kx250rider wrote:

I'm an agnostic (I neither believe in, nor discredit any religion or atheism). I do, however, blame some things on religious fundamentals. Things such as homosexuality being unacceptable, and things such as feeling wrong to live together/have children without marriage, and making boys feel guilty for the need to do things that boys biologically need to do at a certain age, all of which can and will cause psychological damage to kids and adults. Particularly the LDS (Mormon) and the Catholic Churches, seem to be a bit stubborn on those subjects.

The other side of the discussion, would be that there are some people who might not have good direction in life, and affiliating with a religion will guide them to a rewarding and well-rounded life.

What's good for one might be bad for another, and nobody is qualified to judge that.

Charles

Can you give an example?

He's referring to masturbation.

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22 Aug 2011, 8:39 pm

*cough*

If it wasn't for Christianity, we could have sent a man to explore Procyon already.

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22 Aug 2011, 9:00 pm

USMCnBNSFdude wrote:

gailryder17 wrote:

kx250rider wrote:

I'm an agnostic (I neither believe in, nor discredit any religion or atheism). I do, however, blame some things on religious fundamentals. Things such as homosexuality being unacceptable, and things such as feeling wrong to live together/have children without marriage, and making boys feel guilty for the need to do things that boys biologically need to do at a certain age, all of which can and will cause psychological damage to kids and adults. Particularly the LDS (Mormon) and the Catholic Churches, seem to be a bit stubborn on those subjects.

The other side of the discussion, would be that there are some people who might not have good direction in life, and affiliating with a religion will guide them to a rewarding and well-rounded life.

What's good for one might be bad for another, and nobody is qualified to judge that.

Charles

Can you give an example?

He's referring to masturbation.

I know that part, but what religion (and a quote of a book from that particular religion) would ban that?

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22 Aug 2011, 9:08 pm

gailryder17 wrote:

USMCnBNSFdude wrote:

gailryder17 wrote:

kx250rider wrote:

I'm an agnostic (I neither believe in, nor discredit any religion or atheism). I do, however, blame some things on religious fundamentals. Things such as homosexuality being unacceptable, and things such as feeling wrong to live together/have children without marriage, and making boys feel guilty for the need to do things that boys biologically need to do at a certain age, all of which can and will cause psychological damage to kids and adults. Particularly the LDS (Mormon) and the Catholic Churches, seem to be a bit stubborn on those subjects.

The other side of the discussion, would be that there are some people who might not have good direction in life, and affiliating with a religion will guide them to a rewarding and well-rounded life.

What's good for one might be bad for another, and nobody is qualified to judge that.

Charles

Can you give an example?

He's referring to masturbation.

I know that part, but what religion (and a quote of a book from that particular religion) would ban that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_ ... sturbation

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22 Aug 2011, 9:13 pm

The most notable inventions during the Dark Ages were:

- Paper (105 CE - China)
- The moldboard plow (~600 CE - Eastern Europe)
- Porcelain (~700 CE - China)
- Windmills (~700 CE - Persia)
- Coffee (850 CE - Arabia)
- Gunpowder (919 CE - China)
- Ceramic movable-type printing (1041 CE - China)
- Crossbow (1050 CE - France)

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22 Aug 2011, 9:24 pm

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*cough*

If it wasn't for Christianity, we could have sent a man to explore Procyon already.

Right. A graph made in Microsoft Paint with a y-axis with no units labelled 'Scientific Advancement'. And the graph starts well before the invention of the scientific method. And it pretends that the Greeks didn't do anything interesting, while the Romans did. Then it pastes the word 'Christian' in front of 'Dark Ages', and pretends that anything not in Europe doesn't exist for nearly a millenium.

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22 Aug 2011, 9:35 pm

Nevertheless, the Dark Ages coincided with the first 1000 years of Christianity in Europe after the fall of Rome in 476 CE, and ended only when free-thinking minds turned from Christian doctrine toward actually observing and confirming scientific principles.

Where would we be technologically if the Integer Fratres ("Wright Brothers") had made the first powered flight from Elit Accipitris ("Kitty Hawk") in 903 CE?

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