Do you believe the 9/11 commission report?

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ruveyn: you are expected to participate in these discussions without disparaging all muslims in the process. i sugget that if you want to avoid a personal attack, you will want to avoid posting an offensive comment that provokes other members. when you characterise all muslims as terrorists, it violates the following rule (bolded):

i missed another personal attack in the long post. fair is fair.

laffhaqq, calling soneone a "jackass, zionist hasbarat" is unacceptable, and breaks the following rules (bolded):

There is little doubt in my mind that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by militant Islamic extremists without any active involvement from US state agencies. However I strongly suspect that at a state level there was some prior knowledge regarding the attacks and that the attacks were allowed to go ahead. This is hardly without precedent, the sinking of the Lusitania comes to mind as does the Gleiwitz incident. Both of which were used, as I suspect was the 9/11 attacks, as a pretext for war.

The commission covers all the plausible evidence of intelligence agencies complicity ignoring the warnings, by attributing all of these 'failures' to incompetence, mismanagement, or “failure of imagination.”

Has anyone forgotten that Usama Bin Laden immediately denied any responsibility for the attacks, and repeated this denial again about one week later, both times saying that a foreign controlling group within the US government, but working against US interests, carried out the attacks to be used as a pretext for war against Islam? And that the invasion of Afghanistan had been planned months in advance of 9/11?

Beyond this there is a myriad of credible intelligence and media reports that suggest he died on or near Dec. 13, 2001. He did, after all, require dialysis. Caves don't usually come with those sort of amenities. This would also explain the sudden lack of interest in capturing him back in the early days of the invasion, and the goofy burial-at-sea story. I won't waste my breath any longer on just how phony all those video messages have been over the years - that is well documented, even in mainstream press. Ironic that Emmanuel Goldstein was a Muslim.

Usama bin Laden was never wanted for the attacks by the FBI, because there is no evidence that connects him to the attacks whatsoever. Check their website. FBI officials have, however, gone on record stating that they are not allowed to discuss the israeli connection to 9/11 for national security reasons. So there is implicit acknowledgment to there being an israeli connection, right around the same time the FBI started arresting hundreds of israelis for the largest intelligence gathering operation conducted against the US in its history. They were all subsequently deported. This is not speculation - I would be surprised if you have not seen those reports before. Amdocs comes to mind. Even the 9/11 Commission Report acknowledged that there must have been state-sponsorship to carry out the attacks, but then neglected to pursue any investigation into any of the mammoth financial anomalies that occurred immediately prior to the attacks. Like good ol' Dov Zakheim's missing $2.3 trillion dollars, and all of the airline stock put-options.

Anyone and everyone should read the PDF file from this scientific journal's website before arguing any further that they agree with the report. Period. Do some more digging on your own to find out where this stuff could have been manufactured.

On a personal note, ruveyn, I will not direct any more personal attacks towards you. I really don't like seeing the blanket generalizations towards my kind, but I don't need to be moderated twice to learn, and I don't much enjoy tearing into people anyway. Even if I fervently disagree with you on just about everything, lol!

1,500 professional architech's, engineers and scientists have signed a petition for a second investigation. Here's a true to life 2 1/2 hour documentary about the lies of 9/11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ

and a 5 minute satire of the politial lies we've been forced to endure 10 years of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

No one with a brain and a high school level of science education could believe the official 9/11 story after watching these videos!