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18 Sep 2011, 12:18 pm

All borders are comprised of something.

The edge, or border of a square is comprised of a line. I've heard that the edge of the universe is just a massive field of radiation...but if so, what is keeping it there and keeping it constant?

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18 Sep 2011, 3:16 pm

cw10 wrote:

The void outside the influence of light and gravity is infinite, the matter/energy in the universe is not.

Infinite matter/energy violates the second law of thermodynamics, and the arrows of time.

The universe is not a perpetual motion machine.

Motion is an illusion. So is time, and thus so too the concept of "perpetual" and "infinite".

The true nature of reality is allowed to violate our feeble "scientific laws", because we made them up to explain our perception, which is also an illusion.

And what's this of a "void"? Isn't every "void" in the universe really comprised of dark matter/energy (which we don't know what it is) and mirror particles? Strings looping back on themselves and whatnot.....

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18 Sep 2011, 3:45 pm

Gifted-Monster wrote:

the problem is the geometry of the universe could be such that it folds unto itself, meaning it would have no "real" border but a finite size nonetheless

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18 Sep 2011, 4:33 pm

Gifted-Monster wrote:

No, that field of radiation is not the edge of the universe. It is called the cosmological horizon and only represents a limit to far we can see with a telescope. The radiation is what existed just after the Big Bang.

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18 Sep 2011, 4:44 pm

AtticusKane wrote:

cw10 wrote:

The next time I get a ticket for speeding I will go to traffic court and tell the Judge it is all an illusion. I am sure I will be fined anyway.

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18 Sep 2011, 4:58 pm

ruveyn wrote:

The next time I get a ticket for speeding I will go to traffic court and tell the Judge it is all an illusion. I am sure I will be fined anyway.

ruveyn

My apologies, I wasn't aware that the point of discussing the fantastic possibilities of reality was to get you out of traffic tickets, I'll be sure to plan any future speculation accordingly.

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18 Sep 2011, 8:38 pm

If time is an illusion you could get out of a traffic ticket for speeding but you would be fined for a building code violation for creating an unsafe 4 dimensional structure.

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19 Sep 2011, 5:43 pm

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If time is an illusion you could get out of a traffic ticket for speeding but you would be fined for a building code violation for creating an unsafe 4 dimensional structure.

I've never heard of a law like that.

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19 Sep 2011, 5:50 pm

Jono wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

If time is an illusion you could get out of a traffic ticket for speeding but you would be fined for a building code violation for creating an unsafe 4 dimensional structure.

I've never heard of a law like that.

That's just because the laws you can hear about are illusions

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19 Sep 2011, 6:08 pm

AtticusKane wrote:

Jono wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

If time is an illusion you could get out of a traffic ticket for speeding but you would be fined for a building code violation for creating an unsafe 4 dimensional structure.

I've never heard of a law like that.

That's just because the laws you can hear about are illusions

Thanks, I'll ask my lawyer to argue that the law is just an illusion the next time I break the law.

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19 Sep 2011, 6:24 pm

Jono wrote:

AtticusKane wrote:

That's just because the laws you can hear about are illusions

Thanks, I'll ask my lawyer to argue that the law is just an illusion the next time I break the law.

But that would only work if your lawyer wasn't also an illusion.

Alright I've had enough hahaha

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19 Sep 2011, 6:27 pm

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20 Sep 2011, 12:45 am

Titangeek wrote:

Oh I see. It's not the border of the universe that's curved, it's us that are completely bent. :lol:

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20 Sep 2011, 1:58 am

cw10 wrote:

Oh I see. It's not the border of the universe that's curved, it's us that are completely bent. :lol:

*click* ENLIGHTENMENT

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22 Sep 2011, 2:31 am

Seems some people have forgotten the topic, so i'll continue it now...
It would look like a huge 3d web of cloudy multicolored dots linked together
in a never ending space of nothing, well, the way i imagine it

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