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15 Oct 2011, 2:57 pm

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The "no creativity/imagination" thing is BS. Aspies are some of the most creative, imaginative and emotional people I know. I hate it when NT's make us out to be soulless robots!

Yes, some aspies are VERY creative. If aspies all lacked imagination/phantasy, pokemon wouldn't exist, but lacking phantasy or imagination can be a symptom of AS.

Personally, as a child, I didn't have much phantasy - My pretend play only consisted of reenacting TV shows, quoting TV lines etc, I could never think of anything to talk about except my special interests and at school, I always scored high on the syntax and low on things like writing essays, summarizing things and such.



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15 Oct 2011, 3:43 pm

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Why do you think I'm an insomniac? I'm too creative. :lol:


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15 Oct 2011, 4:12 pm

I'm probably more creative than at least 95% of people. Especially as a kid, I was the most creative and resourceful little squirt you could imagine. At the time, my creativity was what set me apart from most people more than anything else. That and my intense focus and persistence.


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15 Oct 2011, 5:27 pm

I have many creative SKILLS - I can paint/draw/use graphic design programs, etc extremelly well. I even have a uni degree in design.

Though I have very little imaginative creativity. Without crystal clear guidelines (provided by someone else or established myself) I am just a blank.

The majority of creative work that I have done over the years is based on strict rules and a ton of reasearch. It is difficult for me to see anything as it not already is - A blank canvas IS a blank canvas. I have no visual imagination (I think in words) and am easily overwhelmed by the vast freedom in creative work.

I believe that you can reach creative solutions through research-- That is how I got through at uni, if you reasearch something you will always find the "right" answer, even if you are looking for a creative one. It is kind of like using maths to create art.

That seems like a pretty Aspie way to be creative, and very unique to the way that others work. But I can come up with amazing things working this way. When it comes down to it though I don't feel that the way that I think is suited to a creative field, so do not work in it anymore.



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15 Oct 2011, 5:40 pm

There are two types of people in the world: artists and programmers.
Programmer doesn't always necessarily mean 'computer programmer' but can be one with a more left-thinking brain.
People usually aren't both and if they are than well congratulations to them. But most artists I meet are not a fan of maths or organisation and most math wizards I meet can't even draw a stick figured cat.

The most creative people use the right side of their brain when they do their art. The left side makes it hard to get into this creative mindset. There's actually a book called Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain which teaches you to ignore the left side so you will be able to come up with more creative arts.

I used to be really good at drawing and coming up with my own characters, but since I tapped into my left side that has decreased. I'm still a good artist but I have to learn it like I have to learn social skills.
I can't draw something if I haven't seen an example before. Sometimes I can think something up in my mind and draw it but it has to be really vivid.

So yeah, people with AS are either really creative or not. So don't feel left out if you don't think you're very creative. I use to envy those people that math came easy to.


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The "no creativity/imagination" thing is BS. Aspies are some of the most creative, imaginative and emotional people I know. I hate it when NT's make us out to be soulless robots!

It is true for some, but not all.
I'm one of those lack of empathy/ theory of mind people. Well I was.
Just because it doesn't apply to you doesn't mean it isn't true. The stereotype exists for a reason.


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15 Oct 2011, 6:01 pm

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There are two types of people in the world: artists and programmers.

QFT. I am definitely a creative person, but have to do a lot of programming and it takes me forever to do the simplest task.



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15 Oct 2011, 8:07 pm

pensieve wrote:
There are two types of people in the world: artists and programmers.
Programmer doesn't always necessarily mean 'computer programmer' but can be one with a more left-thinking brain.
People usually aren't both and if they are than well congratulations to them. But most artists I meet are not a fan of maths or organisation and most math wizards I meet can't even draw a stick figured cat.

The most creative people use the right side of their brain when they do their art. The left side makes it hard to get into this creative mindset. There's actually a book called Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain which teaches you to ignore the left side so you will be able to come up with more creative arts.

I used to be really good at drawing and coming up with my own characters, but since I tapped into my left side that has decreased. I'm still a good artist but I have to learn it like I have to learn social skills.
I can't draw something if I haven't seen an example before. Sometimes I can think something up in my mind and draw it but it has to be really vivid.

So yeah, people with AS are either really creative or not. So don't feel left out if you don't think you're very creative. I use to envy those people that math came easy to.


ScientistOfSound wrote:
The "no creativity/imagination" thing is BS. Aspies are some of the most creative, imaginative and emotional people I know. I hate it when NT's make us out to be soulless robots!

It is true for some, but not all.
I'm one of those lack of empathy/ theory of mind people. Well I was.
Just because it doesn't apply to you doesn't mean it isn't true. The stereotype exists for a reason.


I disagree with the above statement: I seem to be both left brained and right brained at the same time: I'm both a talented mathematician and programmer and a talented artist ( at least in the creative aspect, my motor skills are crap so my lines are always acrooked and I can't shade properly, my writing is a lot better if you can get past my awful handwriting). I feel like a walking paradox in many ways. I'm left handed, so that means I'm probably more right brained, and maybe the reason I'm good at math and programming is because I take a more artistic approach to it, I dunno.



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16 Oct 2011, 3:58 am

Guys I'm sorry I should have come back to this thread earlier. The title of it doesn't really match what I was trying to ask.

I was trying to talk about those incidences where I was unable to think of what to do. And they occur many times where I'm "forced" to become creative/imaginitive. I was wondering if this is my version of a shutdown. In those situations it's like the entropy of my thoughts instantly increases many-fold to the point where there's thousands of thought processes running through my head but they're multiplexed in a way my brain can't decode. It's like a runaway chain reaction that I can sometimes keep in check with the control rods but often gets to the point where chaos takes over and the overwhelming feeling that I'm no longer in control of my thought processes makes me shut down to protect "the me". Does that make any sense?



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16 Oct 2011, 5:31 am

My son nearly had a meltdown last year in musical expression class: he was asked to listen to a song and learn it and sing it. That was fine. Then he was asked to listen to the music only and sing on top f it. But THEN: they asked him to listen to the accompaniment (i'm french, so not sure if it's the right word, could also be "back up music": the drums and bass only, without the guitar main melody), and invent a melody that would fit that accompaniment.
How on earth.
Even I couldn't come up with anything that wasn't the original melody. My brain just couldn't function that way. I ended up writing a note to the teacher telling her that this was an IMPOSSIBLE assignment. I guess this is what "lack of imagination" is about?



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16 Oct 2011, 6:53 am

I have a facility with art (long unused and rusty now) but have always had a problem with coming up with things to do. One problem is if I do come up with an idea I get bored with it before I start and another is just not having an idea at all. Years ago I belonged to an artist's group (It was open to any female because it was a woman's art group) that would have regular shows. If the show was open ended I would be lost but if it had a theme I would have no problem interpreting the chosen subject matter. I guess the point being is I need a framework or some kind of structure.


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16 Oct 2011, 10:38 am

I've been writing stories since I learned how to write, and scribed many poems as a teen. But as I get older, the creativity is mainly brought out by deep depression.



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16 Oct 2011, 12:02 pm

ediself wrote:
My son nearly had a meltdown last year in musical expression class: he was asked to listen to a song and learn it and sing it. That was fine. Then he was asked to listen to the music only and sing on top f it. But THEN: they asked him to listen to the accompaniment (i'm french, so not sure if it's the right word, could also be "back up music": the drums and bass only, without the guitar main melody), and invent a melody that would fit that accompaniment.
How on earth.
Even I couldn't come up with anything that wasn't the original melody. My brain just couldn't function that way. I ended up writing a note to the teacher telling her that this was an IMPOSSIBLE assignment. I guess this is what "lack of imagination" is about?


I think this is more of a lack of understanding of musical theory than lack of imagination, which I think is related to aspies having certain problems with non-verbal communication. I can play piano okay, and I can some times create my own melodies, but I can't create accompiements, or transfer mental/singing melodies to sheet music, or generallu compose sheet music without using concrete musical elements like ostinados and arpeggios. So I think differences in the ways Aspies think may be interpretted as a lack of imagination even though there imagination is fine, they just have trouble getting it out or selecting a single idea or understanding certain nonverbal concepts.



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16 Oct 2011, 12:11 pm

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ediself wrote:
My son nearly had a meltdown last year in musical expression class: he was asked to listen to a song and learn it and sing it. That was fine. Then he was asked to listen to the music only and sing on top f it. But THEN: they asked him to listen to the accompaniment (i'm french, so not sure if it's the right word, could also be "back up music": the drums and bass only, without the guitar main melody), and invent a melody that would fit that accompaniment.
How on earth.
Even I couldn't come up with anything that wasn't the original melody. My brain just couldn't function that way. I ended up writing a note to the teacher telling her that this was an IMPOSSIBLE assignment. I guess this is what "lack of imagination" is about?


I think this is more of a lack of understanding of musical theory than lack of imagination, which I think is related to aspies having certain problems with non-verbal communication. I can play piano okay, and I can some times create my own melodies, but I can't create accompiements, or transfer mental/singing melodies to sheet music, or generallu compose sheet music without using concrete musical elements like ostinados and arpeggios. So I think differences in the ways Aspies think may be interpretted as a lack of imagination even though there imagination is fine, they just have trouble getting it out or selecting a single idea or understanding certain nonverbal concepts.

But saying it's a lack of understanding of musical theory would mean that we don't know what a melody is , or didn't understand properly what was asked of us, which we did , it's just that, once i have heard an accompaniment associated with a melody, i will instinctively have the melody pop in my head, they're linked, there is no way i will find another one to associate with the accompaniment. Just like when you hear the first notes of a song, the whole song comes back to you and if it's one of those weird rap remixed, you feel revolted :P



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16 Oct 2011, 12:13 pm

Ganondox wrote:
pensieve wrote:
There are two types of people in the world: artists and programmers.
Programmer doesn't always necessarily mean 'computer programmer' but can be one with a more left-thinking brain.
People usually aren't both and if they are than well congratulations to them. But most artists I meet are not a fan of maths or organisation and most math wizards I meet can't even draw a stick figured cat.

The most creative people use the right side of their brain when they do their art. The left side makes it hard to get into this creative mindset. There's actually a book called Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain which teaches you to ignore the left side so you will be able to come up with more creative arts.

I used to be really good at drawing and coming up with my own characters, but since I tapped into my left side that has decreased. I'm still a good artist but I have to learn it like I have to learn social skills.
I can't draw something if I haven't seen an example before. Sometimes I can think something up in my mind and draw it but it has to be really vivid.

So yeah, people with AS are either really creative or not. So don't feel left out if you don't think you're very creative. I use to envy those people that math came easy to.


ScientistOfSound wrote:
The "no creativity/imagination" thing is BS. Aspies are some of the most creative, imaginative and emotional people I know. I hate it when NT's make us out to be soulless robots!

It is true for some, but not all.
I'm one of those lack of empathy/ theory of mind people. Well I was.
Just because it doesn't apply to you doesn't mean it isn't true. The stereotype exists for a reason.


I disagree with the above statement: I seem to be both left brained and right brained at the same time: I'm both a talented mathematician and programmer and a talented artist ( at least in the creative aspect, my motor skills are crap so my lines are always acrooked and I can't shade properly, my writing is a lot better if you can get past my awful handwriting). I feel like a walking paradox in many ways. I'm left handed, so that means I'm probably more right brained, and maybe the reason I'm good at math and programming is because I take a more artistic approach to it, I dunno.


Agreed.

First, the "left-brain/right-brain" thing is an oversimplification of how our brains actually work.

Secondly, there are many more thinking styles than Emotional v. Logic (and "creativity" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with emotion).

I'm a "balanced-brain" person. I can do creativity or logic, pictures or words, ect. There's no need to put people into such narrow boxes. Leonard DaVinci was pretty "balanced," too. Attempting to identify autism via what "thinking style" a person exhibits is fairly silly, IMHO. Also, there seems to be a difference in creativity/fantasy/imagination between female and male Aspies that's worth looking into.


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ediself wrote:
My son nearly had a meltdown last year in musical expression class: he was asked to listen to a song and learn it and sing it. That was fine. Then he was asked to listen to the music only and sing on top f it. But THEN: they asked him to listen to the accompaniment (i'm french, so not sure if it's the right word, could also be "back up music": the drums and bass only, without the guitar main melody), and invent a melody that would fit that accompaniment.
How on earth.
Even I couldn't come up with anything that wasn't the original melody. My brain just couldn't function that way. I ended up writing a note to the teacher telling her that this was an IMPOSSIBLE assignment. I guess this is what "lack of imagination" is about?


I think this is more of a lack of understanding of musical theory than lack of imagination, which I think is related to aspies having certain problems with non-verbal communication. I can play piano okay, and I can some times create my own melodies, but I can't create accompiements, or transfer mental/singing melodies to sheet music, or generallu compose sheet music without using concrete musical elements like ostinados and arpeggios. So I think differences in the ways Aspies think may be interpretted as a lack of imagination even though there imagination is fine, they just have trouble getting it out or selecting a single idea or understanding certain nonverbal concepts.

But saying it's a lack of understanding of musical theory would mean that we don't know what a melody is , or didn't understand properly what was asked of us, which we did , it's just that, once i have heard an accompaniment associated with a melody, i will instinctively have the melody pop in my head, they're linked, there is no way i will find another one to associate with the accompaniment. Just like when you hear the first notes of a song, the whole song comes back to you and if it's one of those weird rap remixed, you feel revolted :P


I don't mean musical theory in the normal sense of the word, I mean more like Theory of the Mind, in a way. I can't really describe it. There is something mentally different about how we understand music. Maybe you are referring to something else, I'm not sure, but I also have the problems changing a melody because of the mental connection with the original song.