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01 Nov 2011, 3:17 pm

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The Snake tempts Eve to make her tempt Adam who took the first bite of the fruit that transgression was the Snakes goal for Adam to eat the fruit using Eve to tempt him making man sin first.

Who is more at fault, Eve for trusting the snake over Yahweh and being willing to convince Adam to disobey Yahweh or Adam for trusting Eve?

Good point I see it this way Eve for trusting the snake. Which was wrong but Adam caused the fall to happen for taking the bite of the fruit the snake could not tempt. Adam but he seduced Eve to get Adam to trust her in a way both caused the fall both man and women are guilty.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:21 pm

It can be argued that Adam's sin was worse than Eve's because Adam knew what he was doing was wrong.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:21 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

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But Eve did not know that her disobedience was wrong.

Because no one told her not to eat the fruit?

Didnt God himself instruct both Adam and Eve to stay away from the fruit tree?

There you go so Lilith is guilty of the same initial sin as Eve (initially)

Seems like we have a slogan for Lilith at this point:

"Lilith: She might have protested Adam putting 'it' 'there' but hey, at least she didn't give him bad apples!"

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01 Nov 2011, 3:27 pm

Until men own up for their sin they will never progress.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:27 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

It can be argued that Adam's sin was worse than Eve's because Adam knew what he was doing was wrong.

Again (I think this is the third time now) Adam and Eve did not know right from wrong prior to eating the fruit.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:27 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

But Eve did not know that her disobedience was wrong.

Because no one told her not to eat the fruit?

Didnt God himself instruct both Adam and Eve to stay away from the fruit tree?

There you go so Lilith is guilty of the same initial sin as Eve (initially)

Seems like we have a slogan for Lilith at this point:

"Lilith: She might have protested Adam putting 'it' 'there' but hey, at least she didn't give him bad apples!"

I like that Slogan it needs to be on a T shirt :wink:

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01 Nov 2011, 3:32 pm

Adam knew that if he ate the fruit that he would die.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:41 pm

Well.. that is a conundrum.

Adam and eve couldnt 'know' it was wrong to eat of the tree knowledge until after they ate from the tree of knowledge.

I always assumed that the "Lilith" character in the Frasier show had some kind symbolic literary biblical meaning. But there was never any "Eve" character in the show. And the Lilith in Frasier was not particular like the mythological Lilith in any obvious way. So Im not sure what to make of that "Lilith".

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01 Nov 2011, 3:52 pm

I know that murder is wrong even though I have never killed anyone.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:56 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

Until men own up for their sin they will never progress.

Well no, we'll never progress until men realize that they're just low-down dirty violent dogs and that it should be women ruling the world. :lol:

On the other hand too, another thing that constantly gets overlooked: Zeus's dad ate all of his other brothers and sisters but his mom saved him the same fate. That's women - two, men - zero!

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01 Nov 2011, 3:57 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

I know that murder is wrong even though I have never killed anyone.

They couldnt KNOW right from wrong( nor anything) - until they ate from the tree of KNOWledge!

Get it!

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01 Nov 2011, 4:00 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

Until men own up for their sin they will never progress.

Well no, we'll never progress until men realize that they're just low-down dirty violent dogs and that it should be women ruling the world. :lol:

On the other hand too, another thing that constantly gets overlooked: Zeus's dad ate all of his other brothers and sisters but his mom saved him the same fate. That's women - two, men - zero!

Right on sister girl power :wink:

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01 Nov 2011, 4:13 pm

The fact is that before the fall women did rule the world.

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01 Nov 2011, 4:18 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

The fact is that before the fall women did rule the world.

Explain.

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01 Nov 2011, 4:20 pm

Eve was only commanded to obey Adam after the fall.

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