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10 Nov 2011, 1:00 pm

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I'm a socialist myself. I recognize that no "pure" system can be a good system. I believe that capitalism and Socialism should be combined in equal parts to keep each other healthy. Perhaps Socialism can be the foundation that keeps the Capitalist structure on top of it from collapsing?


Yes I believe that primary industries can be socialist and owned by the public, and then on top all the manufacturing and service industries should be private and profit making. Let them do what they want but don't let them expect the taxpayers to rescue their stupid mistakes.



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10 Nov 2011, 1:06 pm

Vulture wrote:
I'm a socialist myself. I recognize that no "pure" system can be a good system. I believe that capitalism and Socialism should be combined in equal parts to keep each other healthy. Perhaps Socialism can be the foundation that keeps the Capitalist structure on top of it from collapsing?


at the risk of sounding like a broken record, capitalism and socialism are mutually exclusive. regardless of the, in my opinion, weak, arguments in the other thread surrounding realism/pragmatism, i think we could likely safely conclude in this thread, which the original poster requested we keep to the realm of pure theory, that these two systems of social organisation are mutually exclusive.




personally, i feel that libertarian communism would be the only real way forward.


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10 Nov 2011, 2:45 pm

peebo wrote:
Vulture wrote:
I'm a socialist myself. I recognize that no "pure" system can be a good system. I believe that capitalism and Socialism should be combined in equal parts to keep each other healthy. Perhaps Socialism can be the foundation that keeps the Capitalist structure on top of it from collapsing?


at the risk of sounding like a broken record, capitalism and socialism are mutually exclusive. regardless of the, in my opinion, weak, arguments in the other thread surrounding realism/pragmatism, i think we could likely safely conclude in this thread, which the original poster requested we keep to the realm of pure theory, that these two systems of social organisation are mutually exclusive.




personally, i feel that libertarian communism would be the only real way forward.


But I think in socialism, private ownership is allowed to a certain degree and that the owner can profit from what they own. So that would mean they are not mutualy exclusive.



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10 Nov 2011, 3:09 pm

The fascism we have now needs to change.

Fascism is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to rejuvenate their nation based on commitment to the national community

Uncle Sam in every home around the world...

Prolly better with the devil you know...



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10 Nov 2011, 3:14 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
peebo wrote:
Vulture wrote:
I'm a socialist myself. I recognize that no "pure" system can be a good system. I believe that capitalism and Socialism should be combined in equal parts to keep each other healthy. Perhaps Socialism can be the foundation that keeps the Capitalist structure on top of it from collapsing?


at the risk of sounding like a broken record, capitalism and socialism are mutually exclusive. regardless of the, in my opinion, weak, arguments in the other thread surrounding realism/pragmatism, i think we could likely safely conclude in this thread, which the original poster requested we keep to the realm of pure theory, that these two systems of social organisation are mutually exclusive.




personally, i feel that libertarian communism would be the only real way forward.


But I think in socialism, private ownership is allowed to a certain degree and that the owner can profit from what they own. So that would mean they are not mutualy exclusive.


the problem here is a disagreement on the meaning of terms.


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10 Nov 2011, 3:50 pm

Communism is the ultimate utopia.



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10 Nov 2011, 4:07 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
peebo wrote:
Vulture wrote:
I'm a socialist myself. I recognize that no "pure" system can be a good system. I believe that capitalism and Socialism should be combined in equal parts to keep each other healthy. Perhaps Socialism can be the foundation that keeps the Capitalist structure on top of it from collapsing?


at the risk of sounding like a broken record, capitalism and socialism are mutually exclusive. regardless of the, in my opinion, weak, arguments in the other thread surrounding realism/pragmatism, i think we could likely safely conclude in this thread, which the original poster requested we keep to the realm of pure theory, that these two systems of social organisation are mutually exclusive.




personally, i feel that libertarian communism would be the only real way forward.


But I think in socialism, private ownership is allowed to a certain degree and that the owner can profit from what they own. So that would mean they are not mutualy exclusive.


there is a distinction between ownership of private property and ownership of the means of production. so they are mutually exclusive.


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10 Nov 2011, 4:27 pm

these threads always descend into semantics of what means what.

that being said no single system or ideology will ever be a good thing, hybrids will.


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10 Nov 2011, 4:33 pm

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these threads always descend into semantics of what means what.

that being said no single system or ideology will ever be a good thing, hybrids will.


Mutts are always the most fit.

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10 Nov 2011, 4:36 pm

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Oodain wrote:
these threads always descend into semantics of what means what.

that being said no single system or ideology will ever be a good thing, hybrids will.


Mutts are always the most fit.

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were all mutts of something, only perspective changes :lol:


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10 Nov 2011, 6:21 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Communism is the ultimate utopia.


In theory I agree.
It has been said that the fault with communism is that it goes against human nature, but how about when speaking of Aspie (human) nature?



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10 Nov 2011, 6:33 pm

That's not a fault of Communism but rather a fault with humans.



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10 Nov 2011, 7:00 pm

I'm a socialist.

I think most people are happier under a communitarian system, let alone most aspies.


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10 Nov 2011, 7:18 pm

HairlessAlbinoCat wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Communism is the ultimate utopia.


In theory I agree.
It has been said that the fault with communism is that it goes against human nature, but how about when speaking of Aspie (human) nature?


People will always prefer their own children to the children of others. Commonality simply will not work.

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10 Nov 2011, 7:22 pm

Under Communism every child is your own child.



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10 Nov 2011, 7:36 pm

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Under Communism every child is your own child.


It's statements like these that make me distance myself from the radical left (despite the fact that I agree with certain aspects of Marxism).


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