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02 Dec 2011, 8:08 am

I have been diagnose with Asperger.
In the report, I took one-block design test
I scored very low on this test.

What does it mean?

Have heard that people with Asperger scores very high on this test.

I have been diagnosed with this diagnosis.
Can the diagnosis be wrong?

Please help me.





I'm from Norway, sorry for the typos



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02 Dec 2011, 8:17 am

Letta wrote:
I have been diagnose with Asperger.
In the report, I took one-block design test
I scored very low on this test.

What does it mean?

Have heard that people with Asperger scores very high on this test.

I have been diagnosed with this diagnosis.
Can the diagnosis be wrong?

Please help me.

I'm from Norway, sorry for the typos


It means you scored low on it.
I've had record high scores on it and a low score on it due to fatigue.



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02 Dec 2011, 8:27 am

I think being good at block design is only one area where most but not all Aspies are good at. You don't have to be good at it, as there are many other important areas / traits in which you can score high. Probably you don't have good visual skills at geometry (or spatial skills). Autistic brains may differ in their basic ways of thinking. Temple Grandin uses this grouping (it's only one of many possible):

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1. Visual thinkers, like me, think in photographically specific images. There are degrees of specificity of visual thinking. I can test run a machine in my head with full motion. Interviews with nonautistic visual thinkers indicated that they can only visualize still images. These images may range in specificity from images of specific places to more vague conceptual images. Learning algebra was impossible and a foreign language was difficult. Highly specific visual thinkers should skip algebra and study more visual forms of math such as trigonometry or geometry. Children who are visual thinkers will often be good at drawing, other arts, and building things with building toys such as Lego's. Many children who are visual thinkers like maps, flags, and photographs. Visual thinkers are well suited to jobs in drafting, graphic design, training animals, auto mechanics, jewelry making, construction, and factory automation.

2. Music and math thinkers think in patterns. These people often excel at math, chess, and computer programming. Some of these individuals have explained to me that they see patterns and relationships between patterns and numbers instead of photographic images. As children they may play music by ear and be interested in music. Music and math minds often have careers in computer programming, chemistry, statistics, engineering, music, and physics. Written language is not required for pattern thinking. The pre-literate Incas used complex bundles of knotted cords to keep track of taxes, labor, and trading among a thousand people.

3. Verbal logic thinkers think in word details. They often love history, foreign languages, weather statistics, and stock market reports. As children they often have a vast knowledge of sports scores. They are not visual thinkers and they are often poor at drawing. Children with speech delays are more likely to become visual or music and math thinkers. Many of these individuals had no speech delays, and they became word specialists. These individuals have found successful careers in language translation, journalism, accounting, speech therapy, special education, library work, or financial analysis.


( http://www.grandin.com/inc/visual.thinking.html )


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02 Dec 2011, 8:27 am

Takk for ditt svar.

Jeg har store matematikkvansker.

Jeg tror jeg har NLD i tilegg til asperger. Det kan vel være ganske vanlig.

Jeg hadde gode resultater på andre deltester.
Spesielt i å finne mønster i figurer.



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02 Dec 2011, 8:30 am

sorry for typing error....


Thanks for your reply.

I have great mathematical difficulties.

I think I have NLD in addition to Asperger. It may well be quite common.

I had good results in other subtests.
Especially in finding patterns in the figures.

T



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02 Dec 2011, 8:33 am

Letta wrote:
sorry for typing error....


Thanks for your reply.

I have great mathematical difficulties.

I think I have NLD in addition to Asperger. It may well be quite common.

I had good results in other subtests.
Especially in finding patterns in the figures.

T

Akkor valószínűleg mintázat-gondolkodó vagy.

OOps! Then you are probably a pattern-thinker. :D



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02 Dec 2011, 8:36 am

OJani

Thanks for your reply.

Funny. I'm just reading Temple G. book. And I recognized myself.
I have always had a suspicion that I am autistic - not Asperger


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02 Dec 2011, 8:41 am

I'm not good at writing - so it is short feedback .... as you see

But I am very grateful for yor help :!:



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02 Dec 2011, 9:02 am

Letta wrote:
I'm not good at writing - so it is short feedback .... as you see

But I am very grateful for yor help :!:

Don't worry, I'm not good at writing either. In fact, I'm not good at speaking, too. I consider myself basically a pattern-thinker. Your English is good, btw.



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02 Dec 2011, 12:59 pm

By definition, as an NLDer, (auditorily based autistic), you don't visualize well.

However, it is entirely possible to be a "hypervisualizer", and still not have a particularly good spatial sense. A combination more often found amongst the girls/women, both neurotypical and autistic.

A good score on the block design test requires one to remember non-representational design. So, you can refer to memory,, and not keep looking back and forth. This aptitude is more often found amongst males. And as most people with autism are male....hence the stereotype.

I'm female, and score in the 99% for picture recall (Woodcock Johnson Abilities test), but those are pictures of identifiable objects, and can therefore, be catagorized, and then remembered as to specifics. My score on block design was entirely average, and my lowest with the exception of auditory memory, (called the "working memory index") on the WAIS 111, and IV. So, I qualify as having an eidetic memory, (visual working memory) and yet, the Weschler test only factors auditory working memory into the formula for full scale IQ. You may be at an advantage here. Not that IQ as it is currently determined, means much in the grand scheme of things. But the Weschler is heavily weighted to favor auditory memory.



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02 Dec 2011, 2:53 pm

I have always scored average on it. I think the highest I have ever gotten is 14. But I love these tests. I have always been good at them but I always got average and I am very visual. :?



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03 Dec 2011, 4:44 am

OJani wrote:
1. Visual thinkers, like me, think in photographically specific images. There are degrees of specificity of visual thinking. I can test run a machine in my head with full motion. Interviews with nonautistic visual thinkers indicated that they can only visualize still images. These images may range in specificity from images of specific places to more vague conceptual images. Learning algebra was impossible and a foreign language was difficult. Highly specific visual thinkers should skip algebra and study more visual forms of math such as trigonometry or geometry. Children who are visual thinkers will often be good at drawing, other arts, and building things with building toys such as Lego's. Many children who are visual thinkers like maps, flags, and photographs. Visual thinkers are well suited to jobs in drafting, graphic design, training animals, auto mechanics, jewelry making, construction, and factory automation.

2. Music and math thinkers think in patterns. These people often excel at math, chess, and computer programming. Some of these individuals have explained to me that they see patterns and relationships between patterns and numbers instead of photographic images. As children they may play music by ear and be interested in music. Music and math minds often have careers in computer programming, chemistry, statistics, engineering, music, and physics. Written language is not required for pattern thinking. The pre-literate Incas used complex bundles of knotted cords to keep track of taxes, labor, and trading among a thousand people.

3. Verbal logic thinkers think in word details. They often love history, foreign languages, weather statistics, and stock market reports. As children they often have a vast knowledge of sports scores. They are not visual thinkers and they are often poor at drawing. Children with speech delays are more likely to become visual or music and math thinkers. Many of these individuals had no speech delays, and they became word specialists. These individuals have found successful careers in language translation, journalism, accounting, speech therapy, special education, library work, or financial analysis.


what if i'm no good at ANY of those things?



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03 Dec 2011, 5:37 am

Last time I had a test like that given by a professional back in 2003, I blew that test out of the water.
The test giver told me I did the best on the block design that she had ever seen.


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03 Dec 2011, 6:13 am

What is the block design test? I'm interested because part of the ADOS diagnostic assessment for autism/AS was putting some blocks on an outline, like a puzzle. I was wondering if this was the same test or just another test that involves blocks!



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03 Dec 2011, 6:20 am

auntblabby wrote:
OJani wrote:
1. Visual thinkers, like me, think in photographically specific images. There are degrees of specificity of visual thinking. I can test run a machine in my head with full motion. Interviews with nonautistic visual thinkers indicated that they can only visualize still images. These images may range in specificity from images of specific places to more vague conceptual images. Learning algebra was impossible and a foreign language was difficult. Highly specific visual thinkers should skip algebra and study more visual forms of math such as trigonometry or geometry. Children who are visual thinkers will often be good at drawing, other arts, and building things with building toys such as Lego's. Many children who are visual thinkers like maps, flags, and photographs. Visual thinkers are well suited to jobs in drafting, graphic design, training animals, auto mechanics, jewelry making, construction, and factory automation.

2. Music and math thinkers think in patterns. These people often excel at math, chess, and computer programming. Some of these individuals have explained to me that they see patterns and relationships between patterns and numbers instead of photographic images. As children they may play music by ear and be interested in music. Music and math minds often have careers in computer programming, chemistry, statistics, engineering, music, and physics. Written language is not required for pattern thinking. The pre-literate Incas used complex bundles of knotted cords to keep track of taxes, labor, and trading among a thousand people.

3. Verbal logic thinkers think in word details. They often love history, foreign languages, weather statistics, and stock market reports. As children they often have a vast knowledge of sports scores. They are not visual thinkers and they are often poor at drawing. Children with speech delays are more likely to become visual or music and math thinkers. Many of these individuals had no speech delays, and they became word specialists. These individuals have found successful careers in language translation, journalism, accounting, speech therapy, special education, library work, or financial analysis.


what if i'm no good at ANY of those things?


Temple Grandin's theories of autistic thought are extremely limited. She missed or abstracted a lot of ways autistic people can think that don't fit into any of those three models.



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03 Dec 2011, 6:56 am

This is the block test:

http://www.artandleisure.com/leisure/iq/one.html#