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JakobVirgil
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13 Dec 2011, 3:12 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

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I hope the stock market crashes for good. In the short-run it is going to suck for everybody but in the long-run it would be very positive.
Hopefully a new system could be created that is not designed around human ignorance and greed.

The whole capitalist system of government is designed around ignorance,money and greed. It sickens me.
Every time the stock market is down is a cause for celebration. These corrupt business men on wall street are inventing money.
The American middle class is dissolving. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Capitalism and wall street are sick and corrupt. I cant wait untill they both crash.

I would have to agree, and have no plans of investing in such a stupid thing.

So what's the alternative?

Easy I don't invest in the stock market.....not only do I not feel like going out of my way to support capitalism, but I doubt I even have the mathmatical understanding to be good at something like that.

It is not math or rather the math the used to discribe it is fatally flawed.

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13 Dec 2011, 3:15 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

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I would have to agree, and have no plans of investing in such a stupid thing.

So what's the alternative?

It is not math or rather the math the used to discribe it is fatally flawed.

I imagine that would be much more confusing for me than regular math.

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13 Dec 2011, 5:05 pm

Learning economics is kind of like learning a second language

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13 Dec 2011, 5:43 pm

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Learning economics is kind of like learning a second language

Well I don't seem to be too good at that either.

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13 Dec 2011, 5:47 pm

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Capitalism isn't just the stock market you know

there's a lot more to it than stock brokers in ivory towers

I don't think anyone suggested that captialism is just the stock market.

Why talk about ending capitalism then if all you do is talk about the stock market?

Look at wikipedia's capitalism article and give me an alternative to some other parts of capitalism

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13 Dec 2011, 5:55 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Capitalism isn't just the stock market you know

there's a lot more to it than stock brokers in ivory towers

I don't think anyone suggested that captialism is just the stock market.

Why talk about ending capitalism then if all you do is talk about the stock market?

Look at wikipedia's capitalism article and give me an alternative to some other parts of capitalism

Well that's not all I talk about, I think today is the first time I've said anything about that on this forum because the OP brought it up.

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13 Dec 2011, 6:13 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Capitalism isn't just the stock market you know

there's a lot more to it than stock brokers in ivory towers

I don't think anyone suggested that captialism is just the stock market.

Why talk about ending capitalism then if all you do is talk about the stock market?

Look at wikipedia's capitalism article and give me an alternative to some other parts of capitalism

Well that's not all I talk about, I think today is the first time I've said anything about that on this forum because the OP brought it up.

You said let's end capitalism. Do you want to deal with all the facets of capitalism or not?

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13 Dec 2011, 6:24 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Capitalism isn't just the stock market you know

there's a lot more to it than stock brokers in ivory towers

I don't think anyone suggested that captialism is just the stock market.

Why talk about ending capitalism then if all you do is talk about the stock market?

Look at wikipedia's capitalism article and give me an alternative to some other parts of capitalism

Well that's not all I talk about, I think today is the first time I've said anything about that on this forum because the OP brought it up.

You said let's end capitalism. Do you want to deal with all the facets of capitalism or not?

Yes that is why I have no plans to invest in the stock market, I don't agree with capitalism but I have no idea how I would go about ending it.

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13 Dec 2011, 6:25 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Capitalism isn't just the stock market you know

there's a lot more to it than stock brokers in ivory towers

I don't think anyone suggested that captialism is just the stock market.

Why talk about ending capitalism then if all you do is talk about the stock market?

Look at wikipedia's capitalism article and give me an alternative to some other parts of capitalism

Well that's not all I talk about, I think today is the first time I've said anything about that on this forum because the OP brought it up.

You said let's end capitalism. Do you want to deal with all the facets of capitalism or not?

Yes that is why I have no plans to invest in the stock market, I don't agree with capitalism but I have no idea how I would go about ending it.

Best not to claim that you want to end something if you don't even know the details of how it runs You might find yourself surprised.

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13 Dec 2011, 6:31 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:

Capitalism isn't just the stock market you know

there's a lot more to it than stock brokers in ivory towers

I don't think anyone suggested that captialism is just the stock market.

Why talk about ending capitalism then if all you do is talk about the stock market?

Look at wikipedia's capitalism article and give me an alternative to some other parts of capitalism

Well that's not all I talk about, I think today is the first time I've said anything about that on this forum because the OP brought it up.

You said let's end capitalism. Do you want to deal with all the facets of capitalism or not?

Yes that is why I have no plans to invest in the stock market, I don't agree with capitalism but I have no idea how I would go about ending it.

Best not to claim that you want to end something if you don't even know the details of how it runs You might find yourself surprised.

Where did I claim I wanted to end capitalism? that would be great if I could but I really doubt it, but all I actually said was I don't support capitalism. I don't have to know all the specifics about the stock market to dislike capitalism, I have seen the results of it and I don't support it........if you don't like it great.

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13 Dec 2011, 7:07 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

Saying "[you] don't support capitalism" is a bit like saying you don't support thermodynamics. Capitalism, i.e., competition, is merely a formal codification of human nature. Humans evolved and are therefore highly competitive. Being mammals we're also possessed of a cooperative drive of variable intensity. Due to this mix of drives, in which the competitive drive is usually strongest, no system based purely on cooperation can ever work.

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13 Dec 2011, 7:10 pm

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I do not like it, I guess would be a better way to put it if you want to get specific. Capitalism is an economic system based on competition and so far its not working out too well so naturally I disagree with it. This economic system has nothing to do with actual survival it has to do with trying to climb up a ridiculous heirarcy that we created ourselves.

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13 Dec 2011, 7:29 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

I do not like it, I guess would be a better way to put it if you want to get specific. Capitalism is an economic system based on competition and so far its not working out too well so naturally I disagree with it. This economic system has nothing to do with actual survival it has to do with trying to climb up a ridiculous heirarcy that we created ourselves.

To a certain extent you're correct. However economic systems do play a role in human reproduction. Not so much in the survival of the species, as barring something like an extremely large impact event or a very nearby supernova we're in no danger of going extinct any time soon, but in its continued evolution.

Besides, what do you expect people to do once they have their bellies filled? Things look awfully boring without that artificial and "ridiculous" hierarchy of which you speak.

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13 Dec 2011, 7:34 pm

dmm1010 wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

I do not like it, I guess would be a better way to put it if you want to get specific. Capitalism is an economic system based on competition and so far its not working out too well so naturally I disagree with it. This economic system has nothing to do with actual survival it has to do with trying to climb up a ridiculous heirarcy that we created ourselves.

I guess I don't see what is so fun about having to constantly compete for resources when we have the technology and resources to improve everyones lives. but whatever it doesn't matter there is nothing I can do about anything I can hate the current system as much as I want but I am more likely to be crushed by it then actually change anything.

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13 Dec 2011, 9:47 pm

I think when people say they have an issue with capitalism, they're really saying they have an issue with Crony Capitalism. Because we market our current economy as a capitalist, free market economy. Which was also marketed to us as the all giving market, a trickle down effect was supposed to occur throughout the years and feed the economy. It's back door deals and bad information that really irk me. You predict something one moment based on statistics and news. And then the next minute your down. They tell investors not to listen to the news reports because a lot of it is skewed information. You have to pick little bits and pieces out of a story like for example: Apple. Apple is coming out with an i cloud soon and people are putting up calls for it in august when it's released because thats when their stock is supposedly supposed to shoot up. However, other investors could see that story and see all the criticism that it's receiving from reuters or business week and they'll sell. Then they'll regret it later because they made the wrong predictions.

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