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AceOfSpades
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14 Dec 2011, 11:27 am

ruveyn wrote:

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Just like private insurance companies right? Not so much.

Private insurers are required by law to comply with contractual obligations offered to and paid for by the buyer. The catch is the buyer must read the fine print carefully.

Governments can do anything they want since they can change the law to suit their policies.

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Yeah I'm sure the Government can just act on its own in a free society. More like the Government passes laws based on what people are demanding. So if the majority of people don't want private healthcare, then it isn't gonna happen.

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14 Dec 2011, 11:56 am

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Vexcalibur wrote:

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That is one drawback: if the government takes it over completely, then health care suffers when the politicians decide to trim the budget.

So far, I think that our Medicare program has been okay, simply because our Senior Citizens vote.

Anything the government can give away they can take away.

ruveyn

Tautology.

No. It is possible for the government not to rescind a benefit. Look at social security. No politician will touch that "third rail"

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Oh, so Republicans like Paul Ryan are becoming bolder - and more heartless.

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14 Dec 2011, 1:28 pm

It is important to remember that Britain has a hybrid system in which the NHS acts in the health care marketplace alongside private service providers. The two-tiered service delivery creates pressures on the systems that are not always sustainable.

No medical system is perfect. While each of us has legitimate reasons for preferring one system over another and for advocating for or resisting change, it behoves us to remember that every system--even those we prefer--is amenable to improvement.

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14 Dec 2011, 1:34 pm

peebo wrote:

so islamic immigrants must be bad in general!".

You're misconstruing my argument. Again. I was mainly asking if calling a woman a "white b***h" is racist. And I never said that all Muslim immigrants are bad, don't be ridiculous.

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14 Dec 2011, 1:35 pm

visagrunt wrote:

It is important to remember that Britain has a hybrid system in which the NHS acts in the health care marketplace alongside private service providers.

Yeah but most people who can afford it go private, "afford" being the operative word.

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14 Dec 2011, 1:39 pm

Healthcare debt is the greatest cause of personal bankruptcy in the US in 2009

So despite your complaints about socialized medicine during a downturn it's clear that fully unsocialized medicine has messed up the average american during even the good times

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14 Dec 2011, 1:47 pm

Tequila wrote:

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so islamic immigrants must be bad in general!".

You're misconstruing my argument. Again. I was mainly asking if calling a woman a "white b***h" is racist. And I never said that all Muslim immigrants are bad, don't be ridiculous.

not to drag this thread off topic, but you stated that immigration should be screened in favour of favourable groups, with a strong implication that those of an islamic background are unfavourable.

let's raise the discussion in your "white b***h" thread.

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14 Dec 2011, 1:48 pm

it's also worth pointing out that those in the uk who choose to do so can purchase health care privately if they so desire. so the argument is moot.

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14 Dec 2011, 2:06 pm

peebo wrote:

it's also worth pointing out that those in the uk who choose to do so can purchase health care privately if they so desire. so the argument is moot.

Tequila wrote:

Yeah but most people who can afford it go private, "afford" being the operative word.

We can't afford it and we're certainly not poor people. We're upper-working class/lower-middle class.

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14 Dec 2011, 2:11 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Oh, so Republicans like Paul Ryan are becoming bolder - and more heartless.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Be sure to write me when social security is repealed. Paul Ryan is just one man. It takes a lot more that that to make such a change.

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14 Dec 2011, 3:33 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Oh, so Republicans like Paul Ryan are becoming bolder - and more heartless.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Be sure to write me when social security is repealed. Paul Ryan is just one man. It takes a lot more that that to make such a change.

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I know, he's just one man, but plenty conservatives are calling for his plan to be implemented, in both government and everyday life.

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14 Dec 2011, 3:41 pm

Tequila wrote:

peebo wrote:

it's also worth pointing out that those in the uk who choose to do so can purchase health care privately if they so desire. so the argument is moot.

Tequila wrote:

Yeah but most people who can afford it go private, "afford" being the operative word.

We can't afford it and we're certainly not poor people. We're upper-working class/lower-middle class.

that point wasn't particularly directed at you, tequila, more at the original post. just stating that private health care does in fact exist here along side the nhs.

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14 Dec 2011, 3:48 pm

peebo wrote:

just stating that private health care does in fact exist here along side the nhs.

And sometimes it is strongly advised that you take it.

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14 Dec 2011, 3:52 pm

Tequila wrote:

We can't afford it and we're certainly not poor people. We're upper-working class/lower-middle class.

Then it is a relief there is socialized healthcare there...

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14 Dec 2011, 3:53 pm

an unfortunate effect of the activities of the uk govrnment from thatcher until now.

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