Obama Youth FOR PAUL!

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A verbatim +1 on this from me, right down to my drug habits.

What is your problem man? I get you like mocking Ron Paul but what's your angle? Do you really think the democrats are any different than the neocons you probably fear so much? It's all the same s***.

Most of the supposed "progressives", or whatever you folks are calling yourself these days, aren't any different Inuyasha the poster when it comes to most issues in the sense they'll talk up buzz issues but in reality only care about one thing. Much like Inuyasha and most typical Republicans talk about fiscal sanity and adhering to the constitution when in actuality only care about waging perpetual war and throw those first two out the window. You talk up issues like the war, corporate welfare, civil liberties but all that matters is the measly crumbs the government hands to you, the other stuff be damned as long as you get your handout.

If you vote for Barack Obama, you a complicit with murder and the founding of a police state. 'And you have the nads to say that Ron's popularity is how fascist dictators are made? You are one confused SOB if you believe that. You guys need to take a look in the mirror at policies that supposedly sooooo much better Democrats have been imposing on the land.

The liberal rationalization of supporting Obama, via Glenn Greenwald:

http://politics.salon.com/2011/12/31/pr ... /singleton

The rest of the article is good too.

Simmer down there partner....

Honestly, I fear the remote possibility of a libertarian presidency more than I fear neocons....

My main concerns are social justice and economics. Concerning economics, both parties support free trade, which I strongly oppose. On issues of social justice the Democrats are marginal at best.

I'm not a fan of either party, but that's no reason to take a trip to Crazytown on the Ron Paul Express!




Okay... Just for the record: I'm the product of an upper middle class family. I've never drawn unemployment, welfare, food stamps, or any other type of government handout. Before I walked away from my "career" I made about $60,000/year as an automation tech for a frozen food company. Currently I'm living off a much smaller salary while I pursue a degree in Technology Education at a major public university. The closest thing to a government handout I receive is a merit based state scholarship and student loans.

I talk about issues like social justice and sensible economic policy because I have a genuine concern for my fellow man and a genuine concern for the economic well-being of the country.





The unreasonable and fanatical devotion of of some supporters toward Ron Paul is incredible, irrational, and based solely on a perverse "cult of personality." Fanatical devotion to a charismatic leader is the beginning of fascism. It really has little to do with policy.

That's not to say Paul's policies aren't bad/nutty, because they are. The disturbing thing is that so many agree with him in spite of this.

No, neither base is acting as you think. The Republican voters are not frothing-at-the-mouth war-mongers who will sacrifice every other issue for a little bloodshed, and the Democratic voters are not welfare bums who just want to leech the system (for the record: heavily Democratic areas are generally less dependent on welfare than Republican areas). It is much more of a my team is better than your team dynamic. Why do supposedly liberal Democrats continue to support the most right-wing President in living memory? Because there is a (D) next to his name. Why do hard-core neoconservatives continue to demonize the man responsible for the most aggressive policies we have ever seen on immigration, drugs, and terrorism? Because there is not an (R) next to his name. The great bulk of support and opposition to Obama is down to pure blind partisanship rather than to the actual issues.

Those are actually some pretty significant government handouts, especially the loans- you would pay so much more through a private lender. And depending on your state, going to a public university generally means a hefty taxpayer subsidization of your education. Which I am in favor of, but don't pretend like you're not getting a slice of the tax pie.

Damn, GoodSquad, you're attempt to dissuade people from the notion of "welfare bum" Democrats has only served to reinforce the notion of "latte leftists"! !! It's time I correct the situation by noting that I come from a working poor left-wing family.

You don't like social safety nets till the day when you're too old or infirmed, or just unemployed for too overly long.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Hmm, I'm searching for a term, it's a synonym for a group of thugs who don't think people who disagree with them should be allowed to vote. Man, it was just on the tip of my tongue, I'm sure it will come to me.

I gotta tell you, you've got me stumped with that one.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

You've made that abundantly clear that you side with the neocons. You're idea of "social justice" and "sensible economic policies" apparently is getting blasted in the ass by the corporations that demand we go to war to protect their business interests and bail out their bad decisions.

Fanatical devotion to a charismatic leader is the beginning of fascism? One, apparently you've never heard Ron speak if you think if he's some charismatic orator that has us under his spell. He's an awkward 76 year old man who quite frankly is way to civil when dealing with opponents. Its his ideas that appeal to his supporters and that's why this movement will live on after him. Two, I'd say the fascist-lite policies of the GOP/Democrat dictatorship have FAR more to do with our slide into fascist state than somebody having dedicated followers.

ALTHOUGH, I suppose If you want to talk about a "perverse cult of personality" tho, we can start with how Obama propelled himself to the White House. The O-Bots still haven't abandoned him despite Barack's endless lying and hypocrisy, talk about devotion! Maybe you do have a point here...

Absolutely... My University was rated as a "best value in Higher Education" thanks to strong taxpayer and alumni support. As far as loans go, they're not bad...

If I stay in the area, I'll probably do 5 years teaching in an economically disadvantaged district and get half my loans forgiven... Again, that's a significant subsidy, but I'll be providing a valuable service to the state too.

Obama's endless lying and hypocrisy? No more than any other president, and very probably less.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That's kind've an ironic reply, as this whole thread started off on the topic of certain Obama supporters doing a 180 to support Ron Paul.

Also, I wasn't calling anybody a welfare bum. I don't care how much of the money you've taken or not taken from the government, honestly you should take as much as you can as long as they're offering it because I'd rather see that money go to regular people than overseas or to some banker if its going to be spent anyways. The point was that the welfare state seems to be the overriding issue with the vast majority of so called "progressives" nowadays at the total expense of the wars, ending corporate welfare, civil liberties, etc.