Is abortion considered murder?

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So is killing a lamb the same as killing a human?

A person can shoot back at me so no the challenge just isn't the same.

killing a lamb is probably similar to killing a late-gestation fetus, before its circuitry has developed to the point that it can learn at the rate that human infants can learn.

In sentience a newborn human and a newborn lamb are probably equivalent; in sapience, the human infant has greater capacity. Of course, there's also the greater emotional weight attached to a newborn human to consider.

It's better a chance at a good life, than no life at all.

Personally I don't think the abortion debate will ever be solved, because each side uses language that demonizes the other side. Essentially, pro-abortion and anti-abortion people speak two different languages.

The only way I could see it being solved one way or the other is if there was a very reliable, eye-opening study done that concluded more or less how sentient fetuses are.

As it is, I'm pro-life because I believe the chance fetuses have a fairly high degree of consciousness, at least comparable to that of a newborn is quite high, but if it was found that sentience is virtually non-existent until the baby comes out of the woman's vagina, I would probably turn pro-choice. I mean why not if that was the case?

Mr. Darko, I suggest that you look at the neurological evidence that already exists before spouting off about how we need more studies, and I suggest that you learn to differentiate based on gestational age.

I have looked at it. I still think it's far from being conclusive or complete.

I'm pro-abortion. I really don't see the big deal, they don't have thoughts or feelings at that age.

do you have enough of a biology backing to understand it? Do you understand the significance of neocortical development and hypothalamic linkages?
Do you just want it to be inconclusive so that you don't have to face the truth?

What truth? Are you telling me it's been PROVEN consciousness begins at birth?

no but there are timeframes where a normal consciousness isnt present and where it physically ant exist.

Absolutely not; that's a straw man. I'm telling you that it's a neurological fact that the zef isn't conscious intil the late 2nd trimester, at the absloute, distant earliest, with a huge benefit of the doubt. More likely it isn't conscious until the 3rd trimester, because that's when things start to link up and there are enough functional neurons to actually do anything.