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19 Oct 2006, 12:25 pm

The need for routine hasn't been mentioned. Also the problems with clothes, because of the sensitivity issues, the one-sided conversation, taking things literal, ability with numbers and music, monotone voice, echolalia, our body language reflects weakness and desire to be alone, procrastination, great imagination, stim, rocking back and forth, walking in circles...

You gotta mention Einstein, Tesla, Carmack, Spielberg and Gates. (actually, I've never seen proof that Spielberg has Aspegers, but it's been mentioned so it might be true.)

About obsessions, I believe they can last from one second to a lifetime, it happens when I see a part of an ad and I feel an impulse to see it all, it's the same thing when reading the first page of an enciclopedia an feeling the impulse to read it all, or reading one post in a forum and feeling the impulse to read them all, thats how obsessions start and they can be over in seconds or in years, they can be very small sometimes.

If you want a comprehensive list of traits, just watch Mozart and The Whale and take note of everything you see.


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19 Oct 2006, 12:33 pm

I can suggest a few to add

An honest approach which on the one hand people find refreshing but on the
other hand may be unintentionally blunt and seen as tactless.Too honest for our
own good !
At work,we are often more conscientious than we need to be and may feel personally
responsible when things go wrong,even if it's not necessarily our fault.
Good at paying attention to detail but,if under stress,it can be at the expense
of seeing the 'big picture' to the same degree
Sometimes there is an underlying,irrational sense of anxiety.It can feel as if it's there
just waiting for a cause to come along and be attached to it.This can be helped by
things like positive thinking,breathing exercises etc

Prof_Pretorious suggested Columbo as a possible Aspie. I must admit although
Columbo is a hero of mine I never actually thought of him that way before.Now that
you mention it I can see a lot of the traits !



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19 Oct 2006, 1:01 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:
I wonder if generally black people are more likely to suffer from an extreme case of Neurotypical Syndrome.


Well, in that case, could it be that I'm the equivilant of a neurotypical white person? Other black people have always accused me of trying to be "white", anyway. :?


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19 Oct 2006, 4:53 pm

I should not really generalise races under same boat. Here in Blity Africans are a little bit more aspie then whites, you will seldom see a drunken African girl waddling down the high street and they go to university more then working class whites.

Back to the question. Because aspies don’t really follow cultural behaviour like NTs do, black and white aspies are more or less the same regardless of race.



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20 Oct 2006, 1:34 am

I'll just add a personal list:


*hyperlexia: for me it works like this: I am very fluent with spelling and certain aspects of grammar, but I'm unable to get the point across without 30-40 minutes of speech, in writing I can round it down over time and get what I'm trying to say much clearer. I find I'm only able to speak fluently and clearly about certain topics.

*social skills deficits: I always thought everybody was lieing to me, and that everybody was in the same boat, forcing themselves to create an image that everybody can see, worrying always that everyone will see the weird creature underneath. After almost every social gathering (except with family and those who work on music with me) I feel totally drained and very angry, because its so hard for me to simply, speak to people without overdoing or underdoing it. I have very bad eye contact but if I am interested in someone (generally because they're interested in what I'm most passionate about) I can't take my eyes off them, AT ALL, and either scare them, or they believe I'm totally in love with them.

Obsessions: What I obsess with becomes more important than my own well being or anything else, for around 6-8 months it was music and I finished many projects I've dreamed of for a while, the problem I find is when I share it, I share it as if its my entire soul. If its not received, either positively or negatively, I tend to freak out that they're scared of me, and what I have to bring. It took me a long time to be able to simply trust myself and do what I do....

Focus: This comes from my obsessions, I can ONLY focus on ONE THING at a time, if I have a girlfriend, she is everything, my entire world, and a simple fight will be enough stress for me to meltdown. I found my only escape in taking this one focus and throwing it into music and science, learning physics was a wonderful way to spread my focus, and still obsess over something that comes from my love for sound. Still though when I'm in this state which can last months or longer, I can't speak to almost anyone in person very well, and the only way I can get out of it is to focus on another person or goal. I haven't yet found a middle ground, because it seems I can't live without a key focus, but I'm currently trying to enjoy a partner whom I see only once a week, I believe this might be the way to love, and yet be alone and do what I must do.

Lack of foresight: I find myself planning every day, and if I'm going to see someone I will mentally prepare myself for days in advance, but under stress I've been known to make irrational and illogical decisions, because when I overload, it feels like logic itself breaks down, my thoughts can't peace 1 and 1 together and the only choices I make in that place are to make my brain work again.... in a manner of speaking... So in this state I can lose total control, it used to be very aggressive but nowdays I simply get away and meltdown by myself.

Taking to myself: I don't know if everyone does this, but my thoughts are a constant conversation with myself in my head, sometimes it feels like I'm talking to myself, while creating a groove, while reading something else, and this separation can cause quite a few weird states. A few times in my life I've had an overload as a direct result of this, it wasn't like the stress induced one, in this state I fell to the floor, and it felt like my thoughts themselves were on overdrive, with me being unable to stop them or direct them as usual. So this lead me to discover there is more than one kind of breakdown, there is one in which logic breaks down, and one in which logic seems to progress to the point of manic energy..

Senses: Not sure if this is one for every human, but no matter how much sleep, the morning (until mid-late afternoon) sun feels so so painful, I can't hardly move, I definately can't speak, and it takes me til the afternoon to really get myself going.

I find a meditative place in the bath, purely because the sound of the running water seems to soothe my entire being. I've always been very sensitive in terms of tickles, temperature, taste, and hearing. Not too many sounds overwhelm or scare me, but sometimes I NEED silence and if I hear anything in that place it can jar me and physically cause me some of the worst head aches.

Hmmn there is more but thats it for now.


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20 Oct 2006, 2:21 am

Edited the List again. Seems to be coming along quite well. Keep the suggestions coming!



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20 Oct 2006, 8:21 am

Scintillate wrote:
I'll just add a personal list:
Taking to myself: I don't know if everyone does this, but my thoughts are a constant conversation with myself in my head, sometimes it feels like I'm talking to myself, while creating a groove, while reading something else, and this separation can cause quite a few weird states.


If I'm alone, I'll often talk to myself out loud, but whether I am or not, my brain feels like it's constantly buzzing with an internal dialogue, intruded on randomly every so often with music, or a remembered paragraph from a book, or half a scene from a TV show or a movie. I'm aware that I can be sitting quietly on my own and there are all kinds of random expressions flitting over my face as I'm responding internally to my thoughts. Sometimes I think that that's why my concentration and short-term memory tend to be poor, because it's as if it's quite difficult to 'hear' other things going on around me over the internal 'noise'.



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20 Oct 2006, 6:39 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
Maybe my words weren't clear. We have more of a relationship with animals, than we do with other people.


Exactly! Some of us might have pets and be animal lovers.



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21 Oct 2006, 7:41 pm

If you haven't yet, I'd mention something about how everyone's different. Might sound obvious, but I think it's good to put in to remind us NT's that just because someone's an aspie doesn't mean we can know everything about them from reading a guide like this!



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21 Oct 2006, 11:23 pm

Oh right, good idea! I'll put that in. Remember, this is under construction, and some bits I actually left out on purpose so others could put them in!



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23 Oct 2006, 3:25 pm

fernando wrote:
The need for routine hasn't been mentioned..


I used to feel a great need for routine and would get very distressed if that routine was disturbed or destroyed. I have found a way round this that works for me quite nicely. I have banned myself from falling into a strutured daily routine. If it's not there in the first place then I can't get upset about it. Now I no longer feel the need for it. It was kinda hard at first but now I'm used to having no routine to the point where I would probably get bored of a routine. Plus routine would feel alien to me now, spontaneity all the way thank you!! !!


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24 Oct 2006, 12:41 am

Another update, this time on the History, a re-organisation of it (traits now comes before the overview), added an intro to the overveiw, and added some more Aspies from a short list on Wikipedia.



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24 Oct 2006, 12:45 am

NTs will usually not care to much. They have to be shown people that are more NT then they are to realy understand.



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24 Oct 2006, 1:12 am

Yeah well, I'm sure a few of my schoolmates would be interested. Besides, you can't blame someone for trying, right?



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25 Oct 2006, 11:50 pm

And I see that the History section has NOT been updated. Now I have to do it again. *sigh* Oh well, I re-formatted it again.