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24 Apr 2012, 9:05 pm

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Depends on what they want to do. If they want to do physical work, they don't need to know calculus.


So they would just rather have people do their taxes help manage their money help them spend their money wisley when they live on their own instead of being a independent person. Math is in everything you do in life.

You can say I am being harsh but with out a education your not going to get a very good job instead you will just end up flipping burgers and if thats the only job you can get and you have a family to take care of then I am sorry you will most likely end up living on the streets.


That's their choice. Not yours. You can't make choices for other people no matter how much you wish you could.


When you get pulled over by the police you have no choice but to pull over when they tell you to when you don't you get fined and do jail time. So with that being said you can make chioces for other people.


Because they made a choice to break the law, those are the consequences.

No why don't you go walk in to a store and tell the people you just bought it for a dollar. Obviously because you can make choices for other people, you've done so.


People making choices for people is a every day occurance it happens all the time.



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24 Apr 2012, 9:06 pm

Shift the focus on K-12 education away from rote learning and "teaching to the test" and then we'll talk.



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24 Apr 2012, 9:09 pm

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Shift the focus on K-12 education away from rote learning and "teaching to the test" and then we'll talk.


I can agree with that high school is the most important but other grades are just as important. Almost half of the peopel that graduated from high school for get the things they learned in the 5th grade.



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24 Apr 2012, 9:13 pm

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I can agree with that high school is the most important but other grades are just as important. Almost half of the peopel that graduated from high school for get the things they learned in the 5th grade.


Right, but that's why I said "K-12." :)



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24 Apr 2012, 9:15 pm

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I can agree with that high school is the most important but other grades are just as important. Almost half of the peopel that graduated from high school for get the things they learned in the 5th grade.


Right, but that's why I said "K-12." :)


Oh :lol: my bad.



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24 Apr 2012, 9:30 pm

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If the student refuses to pay attention, that's his problem. Blaming it on the teacher is quite frankly ridiculous. The teachers job is to teach, NOT to make sure every single student does every single thing to the best of their ability.


The teacher not taking disciplinary action for a student that is making it hard for other students to learn is at fault for doing nothing about it.


If they're being distracting, kick 'em out. They don't want to learn, they shouldn't be forced. They'll come back crying when their 20 and can't get a job.


I did fine academically in public school, even went to college for a while......and I am having major difficulties getting a job. hmm I guess those teachers should have somehow forced my mind not to wander.


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24 Apr 2012, 9:32 pm

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If the student refuses to pay attention, that's his problem. Blaming it on the teacher is quite frankly ridiculous. The teachers job is to teach, NOT to make sure every single student does every single thing to the best of their ability.


The teacher not taking disciplinary action for a student that is making it hard for other students to learn is at fault for doing nothing about it.


If they're being distracting, kick 'em out. They don't want to learn, they shouldn't be forced. They'll come back crying when their 20 and can't get a job.


I did fine academically in public school, even went to college for a while......and I am having major difficulties getting a job. hmm I guess those teachers should have somehow forced my mind not to wander.


No they did their job of course just cause some one has a education doesn't mean a job will just come easy to them but it makes ur chances of getting a job better when you have a education.



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24 Apr 2012, 9:33 pm

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abacacus wrote:
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If the student refuses to pay attention, that's his problem. Blaming it on the teacher is quite frankly ridiculous. The teachers job is to teach, NOT to make sure every single student does every single thing to the best of their ability.


The teacher not taking disciplinary action for a student that is making it hard for other students to learn is at fault for doing nothing about it.


If they're being distracting, kick 'em out. They don't want to learn, they shouldn't be forced. They'll come back crying when their 20 and can't get a job.


I did fine academically in public school, even went to college for a while......and I am having major difficulties getting a job. hmm I guess those teachers should have somehow forced my mind not to wander.


No they did their job of course just cause some one has a education doesn't mean a job will just come easy to them but it makes ur chances of getting a job better when you have a education.


Well I did fine in public school, but you call that an education?


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24 Apr 2012, 9:36 pm

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abacacus wrote:
Joker wrote:
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If the student refuses to pay attention, that's his problem. Blaming it on the teacher is quite frankly ridiculous. The teachers job is to teach, NOT to make sure every single student does every single thing to the best of their ability.


The teacher not taking disciplinary action for a student that is making it hard for other students to learn is at fault for doing nothing about it.


If they're being distracting, kick 'em out. They don't want to learn, they shouldn't be forced. They'll come back crying when their 20 and can't get a job.


I did fine academically in public school, even went to college for a while......and I am having major difficulties getting a job. hmm I guess those teachers should have somehow forced my mind not to wander.


No they did their job of course just cause some one has a education doesn't mean a job will just come easy to them but it makes ur chances of getting a job better when you have a education.


Well I did fine in public school, but you call that an education?


School in general is a education as long as you used what they taught you in your life then yes it was a education.



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24 Apr 2012, 9:38 pm

Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Joker wrote:
abacacus wrote:
If the student refuses to pay attention, that's his problem. Blaming it on the teacher is quite frankly ridiculous. The teachers job is to teach, NOT to make sure every single student does every single thing to the best of their ability.


The teacher not taking disciplinary action for a student that is making it hard for other students to learn is at fault for doing nothing about it.


If they're being distracting, kick 'em out. They don't want to learn, they shouldn't be forced. They'll come back crying when their 20 and can't get a job.


I did fine academically in public school, even went to college for a while......and I am having major difficulties getting a job. hmm I guess those teachers should have somehow forced my mind not to wander.


No they did their job of course just cause some one has a education doesn't mean a job will just come easy to them but it makes ur chances of getting a job better when you have a education.


Well I did fine in public school, but you call that an education?


School in general is a education as long as you used what they taught you in your life then yes it was a education.


What I learned is people can really suck...and teachers can be bullies to, nothing of real value.....most anything of value I learned was through my own searches for knowledge on my free time. Wasted years is all it was as far as school was concerned. I guess I've learned some things of value from college, but I don't have a degree so in the 'real' world any knowledge I might have still isn't worth a damn.

I think my main problem with school is I was bored, and excluded.


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24 Apr 2012, 9:39 pm

any single fact or lesson will always take a second place to the want to learn,

simply saying it has to be so wont make it so and to make people want to do something they have to have a reason, brutal authority is anything but.


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24 Apr 2012, 9:41 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Joker wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Joker wrote:
abacacus wrote:
If the student refuses to pay attention, that's his problem. Blaming it on the teacher is quite frankly ridiculous. The teachers job is to teach, NOT to make sure every single student does every single thing to the best of their ability.


The teacher not taking disciplinary action for a student that is making it hard for other students to learn is at fault for doing nothing about it.


If they're being distracting, kick 'em out. They don't want to learn, they shouldn't be forced. They'll come back crying when their 20 and can't get a job.


I did fine academically in public school, even went to college for a while......and I am having major difficulties getting a job. hmm I guess those teachers should have somehow forced my mind not to wander.


No they did their job of course just cause some one has a education doesn't mean a job will just come easy to them but it makes ur chances of getting a job better when you have a education.


Well I did fine in public school, but you call that an education?


School in general is a education as long as you used what they taught you in your life then yes it was a education.


What I learned is people can really suck...and teachers can be bullies to, nothing of real value.....most anything of value I learned was through my own searches for knowledge on my free time. Wasted years is all it was as far as school was concerned. I guess I've learned some things of value from college, but I don't have a degree so in the 'real' world any knowledge I might have still isn't worth a damn.

I think my main problem with school is I was bored, and excluded.


I had teachers bullie me most of them didn't loose their job but was moved to a diffrent school. School in general can be boring for a aspie if they feel to get our attention it can become difficult for them to teach us. Most teachers are not trained to handle children with autism an is a big problem in the eductaion system that is why that place us in so called special ed classes.



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24 Apr 2012, 9:49 pm

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I had teachers bullie me most of them didn't loose their job but was moved to a diffrent school. School in general can be boring for a aspie if they feel to get our attention it can become difficult for them to teach us. Most teachers are not trained to handle children with autism an is a big problem in the eductaion system that is why that place us in so called special ed classes.


They never did catch on to me so I was never really sent to any special-ed, even so I still got called a 'special ed kid' a few times as well as retarded by the other lovely schoolchildren. But yeah I would agree teachers aren't typically trained to excel at all teaching styles though many do make an effort, there are some that don't really even bother.


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24 Apr 2012, 9:56 pm

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I had teachers bullie me most of them didn't loose their job but was moved to a diffrent school. School in general can be boring for a aspie if they feel to get our attention it can become difficult for them to teach us. Most teachers are not trained to handle children with autism an is a big problem in the eductaion system that is why that place us in so called special ed classes.


They never did catch on to me so I was never really sent to any special-ed, even so I still got called a 'special ed kid' a few times as well as retarded by the other lovely schoolchildren. But yeah I would agree teachers aren't typically trained to excel at all teaching styles though many do make an effort, there are some that don't really even bother.


I know it is truly sad and I fear our country is headed to a not so pleasant future if the youth of our country do not prosper. Schoolchildren bullied me to but I took it with a grain of salt never let it bother me while that isn't so easy to do for other students.



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24 Apr 2012, 9:57 pm

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any single fact or lesson will always take a second place to the want to learn,

simply saying it has to be so wont make it so and to make people want to do something they have to have a reason, brutal authority is anything but.


Two of my most important spceical interests are Law and Order and athority the school systems need to go through some form of reform so the youth of America will help America prosper as a nation.