Are women REALLY not as smart as men?

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29 Apr 2012, 9:28 pm

auntblabby wrote:

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To have a topic about which gender is smarter is non sense in my opinon what does gender have to do with intelligence?

just my jejune jotting, Joker, but maybe intelligence either 1]expresses itself differently in each gender, or 2]each gender has different strengths in cognition. :idea:

I guess that makes sense to me women are a lot better at reasoning and using logic then most of the guys in family.

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01 May 2012, 5:28 pm

I also think this approach is a bit miselading.

Not all men are the same, just as not all women are the same.

It's all a matter of a person's individual intelligence, which is independent of gender.

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04 May 2012, 1:09 am

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the highest scorer on a written IQ test, was marilyn jarvik [married to the inventor of the jarvik 7 artificial heart] who scored 228. she has a smartiepants newspaper column called "ask marilyn."

Wait, some chick is smarter than me?

if it makes you feel any better, she is WAY smarter than me :oops:

but she is a distantly cool creature, AFAIC, as most hyper intelligent people are. IOW, having some leavening kindness matters far more to me, than pure brute force mental horsepower.

agreed on the empathy is more valuable than supersmarts....remember that the nuclear bomb was invented by supersmarts.

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04 May 2012, 8:47 am

It's just another stupid subjective value judgment.

There are lots of different kinds of intelligence.

We live in a relatively young society that grew out of a misogynist society that grew out of a patriarchial society, so we as a society tend to place a higher value on the types of intelligence that men are more likely to possess.

Go to a gathering of women-- men are idiots.

Go to a gathering of men-- women are morons.

OTOH, it could just have been some smartass running his/her mouth, not meant to be taken (or, in any case, worth taking) seriously at all.

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04 May 2012, 9:09 am

jojobean wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

shrox wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

the highest scorer on a written IQ test, was marilyn jarvik [married to the inventor of the jarvik 7 artificial heart] who scored 228. she has a smartiepants newspaper column called "ask marilyn."

Wait, some chick is smarter than me?

if it makes you feel any better, she is WAY smarter than me :oops:

but she is a distantly cool creature, AFAIC, as most hyper intelligent people are. IOW, having some leavening kindness matters far more to me, than pure brute force mental horsepower.

agreed on the empathy is more valuable than supersmarts....remember that the nuclear bomb was invented by supersmarts.

I think empathy is a kind of intelligence. Obviously cognitive empathy is, well, cognition. But I think affective empathy must involve cognition too. I'm particularly amazed by those people who can create an atmosphere/mood and those who can handle emotional people really well. There's obviously something very conscious happening, and I'm usually just dumbfounded by it: how the heck do they DO that??!?! It seems to me like they're geniuses, in that particular area.

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04 May 2012, 10:20 am

I did some research a while back and was surprised to find that Genetically males are the
SUB-species, lacking critical genomes that would put them on top.
Also related to that, in theory, as females, we originally had the ability to procreate within ourselves. carrying all the hormones needed to produce more beautiful baby girls... (sorry boys!)

So that episode of star trek when they landed on the planet of women.........
It Could Happen!

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04 May 2012, 10:24 am

iamthealien wrote:

I did some research a while back and was surprised to find that Genetically males are the
SUB-species, lacking critical genomes that would put them on top.
Also related to that, in theory, as females, we originally had the ability to procreate within ourselves. carrying all the hormones needed to produce more beautiful baby girls... (sorry boys!)

So that episode of star trek when they landed on the planet of women.........
It Could Happen!

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I learned that from House

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09 May 2012, 12:32 am

Gender and intelligence do not enjoy causal relations
Also, not everyone is male or female.
Not everyone identified male at birth is a man
Not everyone identified female at birth is a woman.

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18 Jun 2012, 2:22 am

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The whole dichotomy of men as rational, factual and objective versus females as irrational, non-factual and subjective is a concept based on a thought (pattern) how women and men think. This is highlighted very well in the example you gave. The male saw the fact that the audience in the psychic show was predominantly female as an argument to his belief that females are not as smart as men. But at the same time he totally disregarded all those in a very same manner irrational male prophets, all those men with their various made up religions and belief systems, all those alchemists, all those males in the field of parapsychology and so on… Often we go from goal to claims disregarding everything else possibly pointing to the other way.

Here I could bring up also the infamous study of Simon Baron-Cohen (I didn’t bother to check the actual research paper and I fairly admit I might exaggerate it by generalizing a bit). But according to Baron-Cohen female brain is predominantly hard-wired for empathy, while the male brain is predominantly hard-wired for understanding and building systems. The male brain is directed towards facts and the female one towards emotions. But the things we perceive as facts and as systems are bound to our time and to our normative (maybe even masculine) perceptions. For example, what would happen when some of these intuitive or paranormal or whatever actions seen as female irrationality would be proven scientifically and become "facts"? Or how does e.g. an interactive, emotional and/or social system differ from a “hard matter system” or a folk physics type of system? Isn’t system a set of interacting or interdependent components forming an integrated whole rather than a synonym for culturally masculine systems?

What is seen as irrational today is the science of tomorrow...

You make somewhat of a good point, but in rushing to make your point, you've kinda proven what that guy was getting at. he's not right to say that men are smarter, but It is true that in a woman's brain, the part responsible for processing emotions is larger than it is in a man's brain. That doesn't make one better than the other, it just makes us different. I see what the guy's saying, but he's being a dick about it.

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18 Jun 2012, 3:45 pm

women that look a bit dim, look weaker.

women that look weaker, are more attractive to men.

Its a mating strategy. The theory is, that the female, artificially inflates the pride of the male, this way she looks beater then what she really is. Only natural selection comes with weird stuff like this.

The feminists can be outraged as much as they want. Its biological, not social.

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18 Jun 2012, 10:56 pm

that effect only works on the weaker males someone with a bit of conviction floats my boat

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19 Jun 2012, 8:05 am

She edited the title just because of my comment?

I would say, fundamentally we are different. Our brains are tuned to solve different problems. We live together, and exchange chores depending on our strengths. It would be a waste of resources if we were simply the same.

Its like a CPU and a GPU . Comparing the too its a bit pointless.

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that effect only works on the weaker males

someone with a bit of conviction floats my boat

No its not. Your instincts will go wild.

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19 Jun 2012, 8:14 am

Quantum_Immortal wrote:

No its not. Your instincts will go wild.

Accept this: not everyone is wired the same as you, and you can't convince or force them to be. Phenotypical variation is what makes a species strong, and humans are a very strong (and thus very diverse) species. You can't convince people that their instincts are different than what they know they are, it's just not going to work. You may as well be arguing that water is dry, to someone who isn't the same as you.

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19 Jun 2012, 8:56 am

edgewaters wrote:

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No its not. Your instincts will go wild.

Certain things are very fundamental. Most have them, simply they aren't aware of them.

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19 Jun 2012, 8:59 am

Quantum_Immortal wrote:

Certain things are very fundamental. Most have them, simply they aren't aware of them.

It's very difficult to argue that people will find something appealing when they simply don't. If the instinct was there, then they would. True some people do not realize their behaviours - but in the case of sexual appeal, it's one instinct in particular that's very difficult not to be aware of!

I think maybe you're trying to convince yourself. Perhaps you have instincts you aren't aware of or don't want to deal with. :wink:

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