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24 Jun 2012, 1:13 pm

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Thanks for your reply..but why is it suspect? No you are completely wrong that I would be diagnosed with it because I am in Cambridge.
I went to the CLASS clinic and I was seen by a psychiatrist that can perform the assessment over 3 hours, she had to call my mother as well to ask about my childhood, apart from questionnaires that we also filled out, School reports were observed.

I scored almost full points on every the DSM-IV 1994 criteria for AS

I scored 16 out of a possible 18 criteria in the AAA

It's very offensive that you think it's suspect...Cambridge has possible the best clinic in the world, and Yes Baron-Cohen is the Director, but to imply that it's fixed is disgusting, and you should maybe not take part in my discussion if you have such a negative and paranoid attitude.

I wish I had had the help I needed as a child, then my life wouldn't have been such a mess.........happy now???

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What is so different about your life as opposed to a year ago or five or ten or more ago? You are still the same person, so what's the big problem here? It is quite interesting, and indeed rather suspect, that you have been diagnosed in Cambridge. I read a book last year on the subject of empathy and, if my memory is correct,the author was Simon Baron- Cohen , the director of the Autism Research Center at CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY ! !! !! !! !! !!
So, of course you would be diagnosed with that, while if you were in Siberia or Afganistan or Rome or Rio de Janiero, or Kansas, or just pick any other place in the world outside elite, liberal Western (as in civilization) academic circles, you would be described in much different ways. Why don't you just ignore what the psychologists are telling you and just go on with your life, You made it this far, so just go the distance.



davidgolfpro wrote:
Hi,
i was recently diagnosed at age 44 as having Aspergers in Cambridge, England.

Since then I feel that my professional career is over, and have become very down about everything.

Anyone else the same?

Thanks.


Have you heard the expression that you can go to ten doctors, and they will give ten different diagnoses? Same here. There probably is something else wrong, or at least different about you. I remember reading an article in People Magazine about twenty years ago. A prize winning female journalist in her thirties went to a psychiatrist in or near Cleveland, Ohio ( USA). He said that she had issues. Who doesn't in some way or another. She had something else, of course, - a brain tumor. Fortunately, she got another opinion, and survived.
I read a book thirty years ago which listed many examples of how psychiatrists misdiagnose people, who turn out to have real legitimate physcial problems, brain tumors just being one of them. The psychiatrist you saw may be a neighbor of Baron- Cohen, go to the same gym, yoga class, country club, or went to a seminar by him, didn't take the time to delve deeper into the subject, and started giving diagnoses just to be trendy.
I don't care how well you scored on any questionaire. I read recently that one out of every four Americans has high blood pressure. If they adjusted the parameters, it could easily be one of every two, or merely one out of a hundred. Same with diabetes, cholesterol, or a lot of other conditons which generate a lot of research opportunites, grants, money, power, and status for the medical and psychological professions. This guy Baron - Cohen doesn't impress me one bit, and I will tell you why this evening or tomorrow.



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24 Jun 2012, 1:29 pm

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I don't see what there is to get upset about. It's not like you were just diagnosed with leprosy and will now be carted off to a colony somewhere with other people who have the disease so that you can await your turn to die. No, instead, you now have a label for some of your issues in life and can start figuring out how to improve yourself.

I myself do not have a professional diagnosis but even with that being said I find it liberating to know that I am not the only person who experiences these things. Here, I have found a place where other oddballs can converse and share their experiences and solutions to dealing with a world that never quite understands them. Give me a professional diagnosis and I will actually be happy.

In the end then, you're still the same person you always were, with the same capacity for love and affection. The same people that cared about you before still care about you now. That's what's important.


Hello,
We are not oddballs thanks and I feel you have no right making comments here, as you have not been diagnosed as having AS.

It could well be something else that you have, as the diagnosis involves your parents or someone who knew you well as a child.

I feel you feel it's fashionable to have AS and I do not like that!

Good luck.


Of course, people here are oddballs ,misfits, and the like. Why do they call it wrong planet, anyway? We are a little weird , and there is nothing wrong with that. As long as we make the necessary adjustments to our lives, and seek the right kind of support, we can achieve our goals, however limited they may be in some cases.
It really is trendy and fashionable to have autism and Aspergers these days. It's the fad now, but may not last too long. I barely had heard of these conditions twenty years ago, and now supposedly one out of eighty eight American children have it, a figure I believe is quite suspect.



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24 Jun 2012, 1:35 pm

davidgolfpro wrote:
Hello,

Thanks for your reply..but why is it suspect? No you are completely wrong that I would be diagnosed with it because I am in Cambridge.
I went to the CLASS clinic and I was seen by a psychiatrist that can perform the assessment over 3 hours, she had to call my mother as well to ask about my childhood, apart from questionnaires that we also filled out, School reports were observed.

I scored almost full points on every the DSM-IV 1994 criteria for AS

I scored 16 out of a possible 18 criteria in the AAA

It's very offensive that you think it's suspect...Cambridge has possible the best clinic in the world, and Yes Baron-Cohen is the Director, but to imply that it's fixed is disgusting, and you should maybe not take part in my discussion if you have such a negative and paranoid attitude.

I wish I had had the help I needed as a child, then my life wouldn't have been such a mess.........happy now???

cavendish wrote:
What is so different about your life as opposed to a year ago or five or ten or more ago? You are still the same person, so what's the big problem here? It is quite interesting, and indeed rather suspect, that you have been diagnosed in Cambridge. I read a book last year on the subject of empathy and, if my memory is correct,the author was Simon Baron- Cohen , the director of the Autism Research Center at CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY ! !! !! !! !! !!
So, of course you would be diagnosed with that, while if you were in Siberia or Afganistan or Rome or Rio de Janiero, or Kansas, or just pick any other place in the world outside elite, liberal Western (as in civilization) academic circles, you would be described in much different ways. Why don't you just ignore what the psychologists are telling you and just go on with your life, You made it this far, so just go the distance.



davidgolfpro wrote:
Hi,
i was recently diagnosed at age 44 as having Aspergers in Cambridge, England.

Since then I feel that my professional career is over, and have become very down about everything.

Anyone else the same?

Thanks.


Just because I offer an alternative point of view, you don't want me to have the opportunity to try to help you? Are you really saying that? I don't care what elite credentials these so-called Aspergers specialists have. They better prove themselves out in the real world, and earn the respect of regular folks.



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24 Jun 2012, 4:57 pm

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davidgolfpro wrote:
Hello,

Thanks for your reply..but why is it suspect? No you are completely wrong that I would be diagnosed with it because I am in Cambridge.
I went to the CLASS clinic and I was seen by a psychiatrist that can perform the assessment over 3 hours, she had to call my mother as well to ask about my childhood, apart from questionnaires that we also filled out, School reports were observed.

I scored almost full points on every the DSM-IV 1994 criteria for AS

I scored 16 out of a possible 18 criteria in the AAA

It's very offensive that you think it's suspect...Cambridge has possible the best clinic in the world, and Yes Baron-Cohen is the Director, but to imply that it's fixed is disgusting, and you should maybe not take part in my discussion if you have such a negative and paranoid attitude.

I wish I had had the help I needed as a child, then my life wouldn't have been such a mess.........happy now???

cavendish wrote:
What is so different about your life as opposed to a year ago or five or ten or more ago? You are still the same person, so what's the big problem here? It is quite interesting, and indeed rather suspect, that you have been diagnosed in Cambridge. I read a book last year on the subject of empathy and, if my memory is correct,the author was Simon Baron- Cohen , the director of the Autism Research Center at CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY ! !! !! !! !! !!
So, of course you would be diagnosed with that, while if you were in Siberia or Afganistan or Rome or Rio de Janiero, or Kansas, or just pick any other place in the world outside elite, liberal Western (as in civilization) academic circles, you would be described in much different ways. Why don't you just ignore what the psychologists are telling you and just go on with your life, You made it this far, so just go the distance.



davidgolfpro wrote:
Hi,
i was recently diagnosed at age 44 as having Aspergers in Cambridge, England.

Since then I feel that my professional career is over, and have become very down about everything.

Anyone else the same?

Thanks.


Just because I offer an alternative point of view, you don't want me to have the opportunity to try to help you? Are you really saying that? I don't care what elite credentials these so-called Aspergers specialists have. They better prove themselves out in the real world, and earn the respect of regular folks.


You don't give up do you. You are clearly not Aspergers, and you show no respect for one of the worlds foremost experts, and assessor ( psychiatrist) researchers on Autism and the various disorders.

As you talk utter rubbish I shall ignore anything else you write..noone cares what you write.

Ciao ! ! Trollo !



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24 Jun 2012, 6:18 pm

I'm sorry your question attracted these kind of answers.

To go back to it... I was also diagnosed very late, in my 50s in fact. I had the opposite reaction to you: I felt it to be an intensely positive thing, something that could only help me maintain and progress my career. Now I know why I struggle so much with the things I do, now I understand why things have been the way they have, I can work to address some of the issues I face. I can also ask for help, both at work and with the Asperger team that diagnosed me.

For instance, there's a pressure to socialise after work in my company, and it's one of the hardest things about my job there. I enjoy other aspects of it and don't want to leave, I just desperately want to be excused the swift half at the pub. I've now given a couple of colleagues info about AS and explained that because I both struggle to function in groups, and have sensory processing problems that mean it's hard to hear what people are saying in a noisy environment, going to the pub after work with a gang of people really isn't much fun. It's not that I don't enjoy their company, just that if I'm going to catch up, I'd rather have lunch with people one at a time. (Actually, I'd rather have lunch alone and grab some much-needed recovery time, but I didn't front up with that straight away!) The people I told passed it on to others – probably as a piece of gossip – but whatever they thought of it, at least some colleagues do now understand that I'm not just being rude or standoffish when I say I don't want to come out with a big group of them.

Some people really didn't know what to make of my diagnosis: although I've worked there for a lot of years, one or two colleagues seemed to feel that they no longer knew me, or expected me to go weird on them or something. Well, that's their problem, quite frankly! Not having to go to the pub any more, being able to say that I work best in small meetings, and having a valid reason for things like switching off the overhead fluorescents and using my anglepoise lamp with its out-of-fashion incandescent bulb, have come as such an almighty relief that it was well worth a few strange reactions and being the subject of gossip for a while. And to be honest, they soon got bored with it anyway. It only took someone to announce that she was having an affair to take the focus off me, and for most people to start treating me as they always had.

I hope you find a way to make something positive out of it, anyway. Your diagnosis hasn't taken away any of your achievements – in fact having made them whilst at a disadvantage mean they're all the more worth celebrating. You still have the same strengths, and if having AS means you have weaknesses, knowing about it can only help you find ways to work around them.

If people trying to cheer you up doesn't work and you find that you become depressed, do go and ask for treatment. It's not at all uncommon for that to happen after a life-changing event like this – it may yet happen to me, once I've got past the being positive stage – and if it isn't treated, it can go on and on. There's no point suffering if you don't need to.



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24 Jun 2012, 6:22 pm

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Hello,

Thanks for your reply..but why is it suspect? No you are completely wrong that I would be diagnosed with it because I am in Cambridge.
I went to the CLASS clinic and I was seen by a psychiatrist that can perform the assessment over 3 hours, she had to call my mother as well to ask about my childhood, apart from questionnaires that we also filled out, School reports were observed.

I scored almost full points on every the DSM-IV 1994 criteria for AS

I scored 16 out of a possible 18 criteria in the AAA

It's very offensive that you think it's suspect...Cambridge has possible the best clinic in the world, and Yes Baron-Cohen is the Director, but to imply that it's fixed is disgusting, and you should maybe not take part in my discussion if you have such a negative and paranoid attitude.

I wish I had had the help I needed as a child, then my life wouldn't have been such a mess.........happy now???

cavendish wrote:
What is so different about your life as opposed to a year ago or five or ten or more ago? You are still the same person, so what's the big problem here? It is quite interesting, and indeed rather suspect, that you have been diagnosed in Cambridge. I read a book last year on the subject of empathy and, if my memory is correct,the author was Simon Baron- Cohen , the director of the Autism Research Center at CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY ! !! !! !! !! !!
So, of course you would be diagnosed with that, while if you were in Siberia or Afganistan or Rome or Rio de Janiero, or Kansas, or just pick any other place in the world outside elite, liberal Western (as in civilization) academic circles, you would be described in much different ways. Why don't you just ignore what the psychologists are telling you and just go on with your life, You made it this far, so just go the distance.



davidgolfpro wrote:
Hi,
i was recently diagnosed at age 44 as having Aspergers in Cambridge, England.

Since then I feel that my professional career is over, and have become very down about everything.

Anyone else the same?

Thanks.


Just because I offer an alternative point of view, you don't want me to have the opportunity to try to help you? Are you really saying that? I don't care what elite credentials these so-called Aspergers specialists have. They better prove themselves out in the real world, and earn the respect of regular folks.


You don't give up do you. You are clearly not Aspergers, and you show no respect for one of the worlds foremost experts, and assessor ( psychiatrist) researchers on Autism and the various disorders.

As you talk utter rubbish I shall ignore anything else you write..noone cares what you write.

Ciao ! ! Trollo !

Top experts in any field must earn respect over the years, and not make their living off a conditon with such vague symptoms. If you are not willing to listen and learn from all sources, there really isn't much point in even trying to help you.



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24 Jun 2012, 6:25 pm

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I'm sorry your question attracted these kind of answers.

To go back to it... I was also diagnosed very late, in my 50s in fact. I had the opposite reaction to you: I felt it to be an intensely positive thing, something that could only help me maintain and progress my career. Now I know why I struggle so much with the things I do, now I understand why things have been the way they have, I can work to address some of the issues I face. I can also ask for help, both at work and with the Asperger team that diagnosed me.

For instance, there's a pressure to socialise after work in my company, and it's one of the hardest things about my job there. I enjoy other aspects of it and don't want to leave, I just desperately want to be excused the swift half at the pub. I've now given a couple of colleagues info about AS and explained that because I both struggle to function in groups, and have sensory processing problems that mean it's hard to hear what people are saying in a noisy environment, going to the pub after work with a gang of people really isn't much fun. It's not that I don't enjoy their company, just that if I'm going to catch up, I'd rather have lunch with people one at a time. (Actually, I'd rather have lunch alone and grab some much-needed recovery time, but I didn't front up with that straight away!) The people I told passed it on to others – probably as a piece of gossip – but whatever they thought of it, at least some colleagues do now understand that I'm not just being rude or standoffish when I say I don't want to come out with a big group of them.

Some people really didn't know what to make of my diagnosis: although I've worked there for a lot of years, one or two colleagues seemed to feel that they no longer knew me, or expected me to go weird on them or something. Well, that's their problem, quite frankly! Not having to go to the pub any more, being able to say that I work best in small meetings, and having a valid reason for things like switching off the overhead fluorescents and using my anglepoise lamp with its out-of-fashion incandescent bulb, have come as such an almighty relief that it was well worth a few strange reactions and being the subject of gossip for a while. And to be honest, they soon got bored with it anyway. It only took someone to announce that she was having an affair to take the focus off me, and for most people to start treating me as they always had.

I hope you find a way to make something positive out of it, anyway. Your diagnosis hasn't taken away any of your achievements – in fact having made them whilst at a disadvantage mean they're all the more worth celebrating. You still have the same strengths, and if having AS means you have weaknesses, knowing about it can only help you find ways to work around them.

If people trying to cheer you up doesn't work and you find that you become depressed, do go and ask for treatment. It's not at all uncommon for that to happen after a life-changing event like this – it may yet happen to me, once I've got past the being positive stage – and if it isn't treated, it can go on and on. There's no point suffering if you don't need to.

Forget Aspergers - you seem to be an introvert. That conditon isn't in the DSM, however.



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24 Jun 2012, 6:25 pm

cavendish wrote:
Top experts in any field must earn respect over the years, and not make their living off a conditon with such vague symptoms. If you are not willing to listen and learn from all sources, there really isn't much point in even trying to help you.


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cavendish wrote:
davidgolfpro wrote:
Hello,

Thanks for your reply..but why is it suspect? No you are completely wrong that I would be diagnosed with it because I am in Cambridge.
I went to the CLASS clinic and I was seen by a psychiatrist that can perform the assessment over 3 hours, she had to call my mother as well to ask about my childhood, apart from questionnaires that we also filled out, School reports were observed.

I scored almost full points on every the DSM-IV 1994 criteria for AS

I scored 16 out of a possible 18 criteria in the AAA

It's very offensive that you think it's suspect...Cambridge has possible the best clinic in the world, and Yes Baron-Cohen is the Director, but to imply that it's fixed is disgusting, and you should maybe not take part in my discussion if you have such a negative and paranoid attitude.

I wish I had had the help I needed as a child, then my life wouldn't have been such a mess.........happy now???

cavendish wrote:
What is so different about your life as opposed to a year ago or five or ten or more ago? You are still the same person, so what's the big problem here? It is quite interesting, and indeed rather suspect, that you have been diagnosed in Cambridge. I read a book last year on the subject of empathy and, if my memory is correct,the author was Simon Baron- Cohen , the director of the Autism Research Center at CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY ! !! !! !! !! !!
So, of course you would be diagnosed with that, while if you were in Siberia or Afganistan or Rome or Rio de Janiero, or Kansas, or just pick any other place in the world outside elite, liberal Western (as in civilization) academic circles, you would be described in much different ways. Why don't you just ignore what the psychologists are telling you and just go on with your life, You made it this far, so just go the distance.



davidgolfpro wrote:
Hi,
i was recently diagnosed at age 44 as having Aspergers in Cambridge, England.

Since then I feel that my professional career is over, and have become very down about everything.

Anyone else the same?

Thanks.


Just because I offer an alternative point of view, you don't want me to have the opportunity to try to help you? Are you really saying that? I don't care what elite credentials these so-called Aspergers specialists have. They better prove themselves out in the real world, and earn the respect of regular folks.


You don't give up do you. You are clearly not Aspergers, and you show no respect for one of the worlds foremost experts, and assessor ( psychiatrist) researchers on Autism and the various disorders.

As you talk utter rubbish I shall ignore anything else you write..noone cares what you write.

Ciao ! ! Trollo !


I never asked for your help, and besides you are not qualified to advise or help anyone. You Sir are weirdly negative and disrespectful. So long!



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Twat.



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24 Jun 2012, 10:42 pm

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Forget Aspergers - you seem to be an introvert. That conditon isn't in the DSM, however.


What has been your prior diagnoses? Schizotypal? You seem to send off an anti -authority sentiment 'paranoia', based on your personal ideology - as a universal truth - "wake up everyone - you need to see the reality." Almost every piece of your posting work here is underpinned by that.

You don't strike me as intelligent with your reply here, so you might be trolling -IDK, or you have serious issues yourself.

If it's the latter my apologies.



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I wouldn't bother. His arguments make no sense. I know that ignoring people who think they need to dissect what I supposedly really have instead of what I actually have has kept me from needlessly wasting a lot of personal energy.



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I wouldn't bother. His arguments make no sense. I know that ignoring people who think they need to dissect what I supposedly really have instead of what I actually have has kept me from needlessly wasting a lot of personal energy.


Hurrah ! I second that........ We Autistics (officially diagnosed ones) must stick together......one for all and all for one? :)



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Forget Aspergers - you seem to be an introvert. That conditon isn't in the DSM, however.


What has been your prior diagnoses? Schizotypal? You seem to send off an anti -authority sentiment 'paranoia', based on your personal ideology - as a universal truth - "wake up everyone - you need to see the reality." Almost every piece of your posting work here is underpinned by that.

You don't strike me as intelligent with your reply here, so you might be trolling -IDK, or you have serious issues yourself.

If it's the latter my apologies.


I like your style..it seems i get angry very fast at bigots like him. He is undiagnosed and seems he is trawling the Net for trouble.In his profile it says all the posts that he has made...whatever he has it is not AS..maybe drink plays a role in his behaviour and hopeful he will seek help for that.
Don't we wish him well........................maybe.



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Verdandi wrote:
I wouldn't bother. His arguments make no sense. I know that ignoring people who think they need to dissect what I supposedly really have instead of what I actually have has kept me from needlessly wasting a lot of personal energy.


Hurrah ! I second that........ We Autistics (officially diagnosed ones) must stick together......one for all and all for one? :)


Well, I wouldn't go that far. Quite a few of us were self-diagnosed before officially diagnosed. But I don't think someone should look at a few paragraphs on a forum and use that to insist that your diagnosis was wrong.

Aside from frustrating interludes, this forum is generally fairly supportive of people coming to terms with a new diagnosis.



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I wouldn't bother. His arguments make no sense. I know that ignoring people who think they need to dissect what I supposedly really have instead of what I actually have has kept me from needlessly wasting a lot of personal energy.


Hurrah ! I second that........ We Autistics (officially diagnosed ones) must stick together......one for all and all for one? :)


Well, I wouldn't go that far. Quite a few of us were self-diagnosed before officially diagnosed. But I don't think someone should look at a few paragraphs on a forum and use that to insist that your diagnosis was wrong.

Aside from frustrating interludes, this forum is generally fairly supportive of people coming to terms with a new diagnosis.

This.



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Verdandi wrote:
I wouldn't bother. His arguments make no sense. I know that ignoring people who think they need to dissect what I supposedly really have instead of what I actually have has kept me from needlessly wasting a lot of personal energy.


Hurrah ! I second that........ We Autistics (officially diagnosed ones) must stick together......one for all and all for one? :)


Well, I wouldn't go that far. Quite a few of us were self-diagnosed before officially diagnosed. But I don't think someone should look at a few paragraphs on a forum and use that to insist that your diagnosis was wrong.

Aside from frustrating interludes, this forum is generally fairly supportive of people coming to terms with a new diagnosis.

This.


This?? What do you mean?