Do you think men are luckier than women?

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05 Jul 2012, 9:16 pm

Life sux and that's just the way it is.

Men are evil?
Fine, I'm evil.
Hate me if it makes you feel better, I can take it -I've had a lot of experience with hate.
Love me if it makes you feel better, I can take that too -though it's tougher.

My opinion: men are luckier than women because we don't have to believe in happily ever after.
We only have to believe in big boobz.
Real or fake, don't matter, and they don't even have to be big.

Maybe guys are shallow because they want a woman with a great body, but at least your body is a part of you.
Our pro jobs/cash isn't even a part of us. . .
We can make you happy w/out even being there; -we're not happy w/out you.

Nobody ever said "Biceps that launched a thousand ships." Who were on those ships?

Women rule the world. If you don't like it, change it.
Oh wait, you already have changed it.
-suffrage
-prohibition
-monogamy
-equal rights
-table vs elbows
-toilet seats

AND ALL THE FLIPPING GOOD CLOTHES!! !!

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06 Jul 2012, 2:45 pm

I usually stay out of the women's section. Sometimes I'll pop in and read the thread titles, being curious about what women are talking about. But I generally don't read the threads themselves. This one piqued my interest though.

lostonearth35 wrote:

Right now I am very p***ed off at men in general right now because of sexist male pig remarks I have just read on YouTube. I HATE them, they should all go back to the farm and wallow in their own feces like the pigs that they are. If they had their way we would all still be their maids, cooks and sex slaves and not be allowed to vote or even wear pants, and they would chain us to the kitchen counter and beat us repeatedly for things like putting too much salt in the gravy for their 5-lb steak. My father and brother are the only men left on Earth who know how to be gentlemen, every other man is raised to be an idiot. To be able to inflict blunt physical force to their most private of parts would be a dream come true. ARRRRRRGH!! !! :evil:

MEN. Can't live with them, can't kill them! :evil:

I saw this post a couple days ago. I gave it time, knowing no one would call her on it, to illustrate a point.

No one gives a s**t when men are discriminated against.

Look at the outrage on this board when anyone says anything unflattering or unkind about women. See how threads will gain twenty or so pages worth of heated argument whenever someone says something comparatively mild like "women have an easier time dating," or "women like guys who have money."

But spewing hate like this is apparently perfectly acceptable, as long as it's being directed at men.

One of the biggest problems men face is the public's complete lack of caring when anything happens to them. I mean, men make up the vast majority of the homeless population, the vast majority of the prison population, and die, on average, years younger. None of this points toward men being priveleged. But as long as people hold onto this idea of male privelege, based on outdated and sometimes even outright false information, then attitudes like the above will seem acceptable.

Someone'll probably tell me I should report it to a mod, if this post bothers me so much. I prefer to let it stay. It's not the post that bothers me, so much as the tacit approval statements like that get when people (who, if the genders were reversed, would go on the warpath) stay silent.

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06 Jul 2012, 4:12 pm

In the united states I would rather be a woman than a man. I would also apply this to canada. Anywhere else and I think I'd rather be a man.

Women have it pretty good in many ways in the united states. As an above poster stated, men are not "protected" and as a result there is no recourse for any discrimination against them. Period.

I don't have to sign up for the draft. There are lots of scholarship opportunities. It's easier for me to find and keep a job because I often fulfill a "quota" of sorts. I have more control over the upbringing of our chidlren, and if we were to divorce I would have a slight edge when it came to custody (although not much anymore).

I have absolute control 100% over my reproduction, without a shadow of a doubt. I take that pill every day and I'm responsible. A man? Not neccessarily unless he gets the big V. If he relies on barrier methods, woe to he who has the "overly attatched girlfriend" who likes to poke holes in them. Then if he does get a lady knocked up, he is at her mercy. He has no say in what she decides to do, and it doesn't matter if he wants a child or not, she can come after him for money. OR if she wants to terminate the pregnancy and he doesn't and believes it is murder, tough luck. If I were a guy, I'd be too afraid to dtd in the first place. But all of this, only because this is the USA. If I lived elsewhere (like the middle east) I would not wish being female on my worst enemy.

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07 Jul 2012, 9:49 am

Advantages of being a woman:
-more beautiful (well, in some cases)
-get to wear pretty clothes
-often cleaner than men
-allowed to show emotion
-have less risk of getting many diseases than men
-Aspie women are more socially adept than Aspie men
-your kids usually stick with you more
-more sensitive than men
-random signs of sexual arousal can be covered up easily. :lol:
-it doesn't hurt as much when people kick us in the groin!
-We live longer!
-We get better grades in school!

Advantages of being a man:
-no periods
-no childbirth
-can't get pregnant
-less responsibility
-not (or less often) a target of sexism
-can be physically stronger
-can be rough/unruly in play and people would just say "boys will be boys"

I like being female.

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09 Jul 2012, 2:22 am

I do hate being female at times. Considering the fact that I have lived female for so many years, I wouldnt hack it being a male honestly. There are times when I think, if I was raised being male, things would have been more fun. I would have been more allowed to be rough and tumble. I would probably be much more colder and emotionally insensitive. Being raised a female, it was hard enough to become more emotionally sensitive towards other people. Thats almost a requirement for being female. And the being more emotionally expressive and appearing smiley annoys me. I dont smile unless I feel like it, and thats just the way I am. I've been annoyed with people telling me to smile my entire life. Honestly, I would not want to be an aspie male. I'd honestly think, Id have no shot at a relationship. NT women are already as confusing as heck, imagine having to date one gosh. Also men are expected to be competent and being female, I get helped a lot more. There seems to be this ideal, if your a man, tough it out, do things for yourself. If your a female, people are more ready to baby you.

This whole gender stuff honestly is bullshit. Why cant we all just find a middle ground and have the same expectations for everyone. Balance your life out, should not have to be pinned to one or the other gender. It really annoys me sometimes.

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09 Jul 2012, 8:43 am

I don't think either is more lucky than the other. I think it depends on the person. The advantages and disadvantages that each has to deal with are so different, and I think neither can really know how it would feel to be the other. Both have different expectations of them too. Maybe people who have changed gender have a different angle on this...

Anyway while I'm definitely happy being female and have no desire to permanently change into a man, there are times I find myself thinking I wish I could temporarily turn into a man for 10 mins in order to get amusement out of a situation. I think my life would be a lot more difficult if I was a man though. I think I'm lucky not to have been around many catty girls.

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09 Jul 2012, 8:57 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:

And I wonder why some men might, sometimes, possibly, get a slight tad nervous trying to chat with a woman?
Especially if she's wearing pointy shoes.

Maybe I'm just way off topic, you know, what with men being luckier in dating and getting sex whenever they want it, and such not.

Oh yeah,
Never mind the above quote, I just accidentally clicked the wrong thing somehow while I was beating my beloved, and this showed up. I really don't understand, it never happens when I beat my dog for needing to go potty every week. . .

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09 Jul 2012, 11:32 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:

Right now I am very p***ed off at men in general right now because of sexist male pig remarks I have just read on YouTube.

YouTube comment sections are the grease trap of humanity.

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11 Jul 2012, 8:53 am

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Male here - being a guy you are generally expected to do dirtier, harder, and more dangerous work; and there are lots of little things - if it's raining, you go out to the get the mail or start the car for instance. Also you're more disposable. If there's a war, it's the men expected to die in defence. If the ship is sinking, women and children on the lifeboats first. In a critical situation, your life is less valuable. That's a fairly major drawback I suppose, but strangely enough it doesn't really seem like it. We're probably wired for it.

There is still some onus on the man to provide and if you don't have a good job there's a sense of failing your partner; the weight of financial responsibility falls more heavily on men, which was only right when women didn't work unless they were single and poor. But in the more open economy it's difficult. At the top it seems like male privilege is still heavily preserved, but in regular jobs, that doesn't really exist anymore. You'll often see in singles ads that women specify their desired mate has to have a job, sometimes they even demand a professional job, which is something you'll have to look long and hard to find in ads men put out. It's hard enough not being economically succesful, without being deprived of love and affection too.

All that being said - it's easier to be a guy, I think. It's simpler physically - no pregnancy, no periods, got a garden hose if you need to pee behind a shed, stronger and more endurance, etc etc. There's not as much expectation of social skills or good executive function or affective empathy (I think it must be terribly hard for women with AS on this basis). You can never smile, and people won't notice as much. You can go for a walk in the park at 3am if you want. Lots of things.

Actually no, the bit in bold, that rule long went out the window. Ships always have enough boats now to carry people off. They don't overload their ships if they haven't got enough boats. Health and safety is a huge thing now.

Also, the walk in the park at 3am. There are female rapists/sexual predators out there, just as much as men.

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11 Jul 2012, 3:44 pm

Only in that they can stand up to pee.

Beyond that, not so much.

But, regardless, I would love to know where in the U.S. I can move to where women aren't expected to work and are automatically "protected" when their life goes sour. So far, no one's ever offered to pay my way for no other reason other than my having a vagina. Life must be pretty good for women in Fantasy Land.

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11 Jul 2012, 4:23 pm

MightyMorphin wrote:

Sure. But in any sort of situation where lives must be prioritized ... we're the expendable sex. A society doesn't need that many men to repopulate.

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Also, the walk in the park at 3am. There are female rapists/sexual predators out there, just as much as men.

Oh come on. I've never even heard of women waiting in bushes in a park at night to rape some guy at knifepoint. The other way round happens all the time.

Yes there are female stalkers and predators out there, but not of that sort (the random attacker late at night in a park), or at least, not in any numbers that are at all signifigant. There are dangers for anyone taking a walk at 3am, but not from women hiding in bushes, waiting to rape dudes.

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11 Jul 2012, 4:29 pm

edgewaters wrote:

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Sure. But in any sort of situation where lives must be prioritized ... we're the expendable sex. A society doesn't need that many men to repopulate.

Sooo...

Did a significant majority of women survive 9/11 because all the men were making sure the women got out?

Were there more female survivors of Hurricane Katrina because women were evacuated/rescued at a higher rate?

What about any other major disaster that's occurred in the past ten years in the world?

The idea that men are "expendable" has more to Victorian attitudes as opposed to anything that actually happens in nature.

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11 Jul 2012, 4:46 pm

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Did a significant majority of women survive 9/11 because all the men were making sure the women got out?

No, but sorting people would've reduced the number of survivors. There would've been no logic to it. Same with most other disasters. You get as many people out, as fast as you can.

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The idea that men are "expendable" has more to Victorian attitudes as opposed to anything that actually happens in nature.

Not true. In many (although not all) species, the males will respond to attacks even if survival is unlikely, so that the females and young stand a chance of survival. The group is doomed if all the males survive but none of the females. But if it loses no females, its ability to repopulate is almost totally unaffected, as long as it has one or two males (except in the sense that fewer adults generally means less food for young).

Mothers will of course defend their young to the death, if it comes to that. But if there are males, they respond first while the females and young attempt to move off. Males simply aren't needed as much for the survival of a species. In most species - females are ultimately more important.

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11 Jul 2012, 4:56 pm

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Not true. In many (although not all) species, the males will respond to attacks even if survival is unlikely, so that the females and young stand a chance of survival.

Nope.

First, you're attempting to attribute human motivations to non-human species. Non-human animals don't have the intellectual capacity to think, "I need to do this to preserve my species."

Secondly, the alpha males will typically respond to "attacks" to defend their breeding stock, but there's no universal trend in nature where males are at all inherently inclined to protect females for no other reason than that they're females. Doesn't happen. It's certainly not true in our closest relatives wherein males chimps have no compunctions against killing "invading" females to defend their territory.

Some males care about protecting some females. That's about it. There's no universal drive for all males to "protect" all females for no other reason than that they are females.

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No, but sorting people would've reduced the number of survivors. There would've been no logic to it. Same with most other disasters. You get as many people out, as fast as you can.

In other words, there was no attempt made to protect women over men.

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11 Jul 2012, 5:18 pm

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First, you're attempting to attribute human motivations to non-human species. Non-human animals don't have the intellectual capacity to think, "I need to do this to preserve my species."

Never said there was thought involved, in either case.

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It's certainly not true in our closest relatives wherein males chimps have no compunctions against killing "invading" females to defend their territory.

Different group - this is a competitor, not an ally. The males will attack any other chimps entering their territory. The females won't, because if a group of chimps started doing that, some of the females would be occasionally be injured (as the males sometimes are). This would reduce their ability to compete with rival chimp troops, long-term. Losing a male is only a short-term cost, because it has no signifigant effect on the group's reproduction rates.

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Some males care about protecting some females. That's about it. There's no universal drive for all males to "protect" all females for no other reason than that they are females.

It's not about care, and it's not directly about the females - it's about the group. Among mammals, the males can't even care for the very young - what would be the sense in a male leading the young off while the female attempts to distract or attack a potential threat? If the female was killed, and only the male was left, the young would die of starvation, rather than predation, and the group would perish. This would be an evolutionary dead-end - and therefore it has been selected against.

Not just mammals either. Many birds are the same. Example, loons. If a predator gets too close, the male sometimes does this thing called the "broken wing dance", basically it makes a big display and tries to look injured. Lots of sound and motion, exactly the kind of thing that would attract a predator. Meanwhile the female quietly tries to exit with the young in tow.

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