Rape, Victim-Blaming, and... random stuff about religion

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Criminal abuse in our law is still abuse regardless of if his culture of origin allows it or not. In Canada, spanking is charged as physical abuse, regardless of if it is legal in the parent's culture of origin. By "taking it into account", I'm sure they would take note of the cultural attitude, but they would still charge him under the law of the country where the crime happened, unless there is some allowance for him to be charged in his country of origin? I'm not sure about what you mean by "take that into account".

It doesn't matter if he rejects western values, he will still be treated equally in the eyes of the law.

But if you're saying that the European justice system bends the rules for these Muslim men, well, I don't know about that.

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Good point

Not an expert on religions, but I would agree with you

Except Islam is, by far, the worst large religion in the world when it comes to human rights. Islam is the driving force behind Saudi Arabia's social policies, Iran's social policies, Iraq's gay clubbing squads, Indonesia's sectarian violence, massacres in Libya, violence against Coptic Christians in Egypt, and more African and Middle Eastern terrorist and rebel groups than one can possibly imagine. Honestly, the religion argument would hold if there was currently any other religion in the world that inspired that amount of human rights abuses and violence. We're discussing Islam here, which has the world's worst track record for human rights at the moment.

I take it you don't live in Europe, DogsWithoutHorses. Why is it that everyone who argues about these things comes from a region that's practically without muslims, and often a dominion?



Here's the difference. In terms of cultural policies, immigration policies and criminal justice, Canada is positively xenophobic and authoritarian compared to Europe. Canada's current policies, as well as Australia's, are a wet dream for European conservatives. Judges - we don't have a jury in our continental system of law - do not simply read the law and determine guilt. They're just as much rehabilitation officers. If someone was sexually abused, that's a reason for them to lower the sentence. If someone was culturally inclined to do something, that can also be a reason to lower a sentence. Sometimes, civil precedents in islamic law are accepted in secular courts.

uummm, maybe worst but not by far..

Not really


Just a reminder:






What's making Islam the worst nowadays is the willingness and the desire of many of his/her followers to make it the national constitution of where they're living.

Let the Christianity or Judaism be the law of the US and Europe and the outcome won't be much better than the Sharia.


Do you know that radical jews are trying to kick out the female soldiers out of the Israeli army? To be honest, i am not that sad because that means less military force for our enemy! bahahahahaa! But can't deny the retardation of this trend. Us and Israel are going into opposing trends in fact : http://www.dailystar.com.lb/PhotoGaller ... z1z2JiGYi1

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The largest offensive against homosexuals was perpetrated by communist governments; all of which were led by atheist dictators.



One study concluded that 70% of all Israeli muslims opposed the death penalty... less than half of all Americans do.

I'm willing to go that far. Islam is, by far, the worst major religion on the planet for the type of human rights currently maintained in the western world.



Exactly. That's it.



But they won't. They're not making superstitious religious laws as written by several crazy old men their laws punishable by death, mutilation or collective punishment, whereas most of the Middle East, parts of the Maghreb and islamic parts of Asia can plead guilty to that. We're talking about the way the world is, not would be, and as it is, people giving a political dimension to Islam are a disastrous plague.



Israel is a hole, and there's no point in trying to get me to defend it. However, in terms of human rights, even Israel is much better than the countries surrounding it within a wide radius.



There were indeed several. However, at the moment, adherents of Islam are guilty of much, much more, in many more fields.



What are you trying to say here? I strongly support the death penalty, and I think it's a shame it's an increasing taboo. What I don't support, however, is to exclude and punish people based on the way they were born rather than for what they did, which is something most muslims in the world have yet to find out.

As for taking it somewhere else, I'd support that - but the thread doesn't seem to be on a list for being moved. Might request that from moderators later.

Well, at least we're not discussing victim blame anymore. I'm done here.

Israel is on par with several European countries in terms of living conditions. In fact, as we speak, they're the only Middle-Eastern country in the world who allow homosexuals to adopt and have the 4. highest life-expectancy in the world.



North-Korea--which is led by a dynasty of atheists--is far worse than any muslim country in terms of human rights.



The death penalty doesn't work. This is why Texas doesn't have the lowest murder rate in the US.

Yep, looks like that's been laid to rest (for now) so I'm out too. This is now just an incoherent frenzy of general issues some people have with every group that's different from them, but looks like it will drown in its own confusion and frustration fairly soon. Time to let it die.

Correct. Human rights-wise, though, and from a political perspective - and that's what I meant - it's a hole compared to European countries, and a mountain compared to the surrounding area. Actually, that's a great idea - a depth/height map of human rights.



North Korea has approximately 25 million inhabitants. It's very little compared to the one-fifth of the world apparently following Islam, very little compared to Iran's almost 80 million inhabitants, or Iraq's 30 million, or Afghanistan's 30 million, or Pakistan's 177 million. North Korea is a messed-up place, but certainly not at a magnitude similar to the islamic world.



How is it supposed to work? If it gets rid of people who commit murders, and potentially child abuse, I'm all for it.

In all fairness, North Korea is not atheist per say, its some weird form of personality cult, just like most communist states have been. Stalin went to seminary school and used the Orthodox church quite substantially after he'd purged those who were against him. It can even be argued that most countries went through a "de-clericzation" of sorts, prior to moving on to being a more secular society.

There are some religious elements that exist in the country, but officially North Korea is recognized as an atheist state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_North_Korea

hash it out here. enjoy your new thread.

Officially they are also self-declared as democratic and the best country in the world. Doesn't really mean much. The Soviet Union was also reportedly atheist, yet the Orthodox church still has images of Stalin with a halo hanging on the walls.

Just a semantic clarification per how the country is officially classified and viewed in the rest of world of the world, as an atheist state per third party evidence. It is evidenced that it is hard to take beliefs away from humans, no matter what governments institute as policy.

The United States is evidenced as a Christian country, with over 80% of the country reported as a member of that religious group, but about half the country is mad most of the time because someone less advantaged might get a perceived handout. Particularly among those that term themselves as the most zealous of Christians. Completely contrary to what the guy on the cross taught, in what remains and is reported as such, per actual written translations.

So yes, an official label of religious orientation of a country can be deceiving, per the beliefs of those that actually are evidenced in those countries. I have no idea, there me be more people in North Korea that care about each other as a culture, per the larger population of the masses, than in the larger masses that say they adhere to the teachings of the man on the cross here in the US. But I do know it's a pretty tough place to live for most.

I was just pointing out that official classifications regardless of source can be inaccurate. The US for instance has a separation of Church and State, yet shocking amounts of religiously motivated policies are pushed time and time again. The fact that the country supposedly has this devision, when we see that there hasn't been a single openly non-Christian president for instance, is misleading.

North Korea is arguably the most religious country in the world, if we see some of the Kim personality cult.