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Pileated woodpecker
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17 Dec 2014, 6:18 pm

Dan_Undiagnosed wrote:
I read this one study that was hilarious. A bunch of people admitted themselves to mental hospitals all describing the same symptom of having heard auditory hallucinations. The person conducting the study told them to immediately act lucidly upon admission to see how long they were kept there before released as sane. All but one were eventually released without having to admit to the farce (one of them had to prove it because they thought the person was certifiable! :lol:) but those who were released were diagnosed as having had a schizophrenic episode. The lie was never detected. In almost every case though the other patients knew the fakers were faking and would say things like "you're here doing some sort of study, aren't you?"
Sometimes even experts can't see the forest for the trees or vice versa.


i've read about that while studying a sociology of medicine, often cited by anti-psychiatry movement. in defence of the hospitals, they did fake symptoms to get admitted, and eventually were released with the label 'schizophrenia in remission' which was a rare way to be discharged, guess it would be inappropriate for a hospital to accuse people who presented symptoms of lying



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17 Dec 2014, 6:27 pm

I am very prone to projection, and thinking artists I relate to have similar problems, but a lot of the time I think I could be right. I'm the age that nirvana were the first band I liked, so i've read a lot about them and think kurt did have a lot of traits. I know there are lots of things that can look similar, but they are less likely to present at a young age. I think it is a strong possibility.

it is a shame that there is no way of knowing, there must be so many potential role models for aspies that will never be known to them. I wonder if things will be different in the future and artists' diagnosis will be know. Maybe not as they will have to be successful which would mean they might not be considered impaired enough to be diagnosed, but it is my personal belief that the aspergers pathology is a lot broader than current diagnostic criteria and is fairly common amongst musicians



Dacey007
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02 Sep 2021, 12:26 am

[Is it, or do you mean creative people, Tupac, an amazing writer was also on the spectrum I believe. Anthony Hopkins, one of the best actors, was diagnosed in his 70s.

Is it hereditary, or is it in all of us, just some more connected to their emotions than others, my son who is only 6, very speech delayed , silently cries of any slow song is heard. His heart literally breaks as he sobs. He loves singing to himself. And can sing word for word, but he is unable to tell you his name, if someone asks, his age, he’ll repeat what he hears, in the exact tone he hears it.

I’m on this thread because I’ve just finished watching Kurt Cobain: Montage Of Hack.

A lot of insight on his childhood, but the important part is the beginning,

He’s happy, there’s joy, smiles, a baby/ toddler, content before the world stepped in. he doesn’t feel out of place, anxious, but then Kurt’s mother admitted as he got older his behaviour became more challenging. It does,most kids do, but what could be the worst way to “handle challenging behaviour” giving them Ritalin at 8 years old, taking them to see a child psychologist because you ‘parent’ would rather fix him than understand and grow with him :( . I’m not saying it’s because of that, Kurt suffered with drugs and mental health, but it certainly played a massive part, planted a seed perhaps, then the anxiety begins, senses you don’t feel you belong, first point of contact the parents, overpowering parenting or parents who give up..

Theirs are many traits in Autism, Aspergers, Addiction, President’s, governments, Prime Ministers, teachers, deadbeats, mothers, [quote][/quote] doctors etc etc… many traits we all carry differently, some more connected to their emotions through art music dance painting etc, they don’t just feel out of place or different… society, schools, parents, doctors, mean kids… can make anyone feel like that.

I wish people who just learn to understand more about a child and get to know them and their ways instead of medicating or constantly putting fear or anxiety into their growing, beautiful minds.

I got the same feel gas the author of this thread, Worthing a few minutes into the documentary, there’s no.pinpointing, the author felt the connection and, knowing my son as well as I do, I felt it it too.

If they could label or diagnose back then, then absolutely.