Asperger's Doesn't Exist.

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30 Oct 2015, 1:50 pm

Chris71186 wrote:

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I'm sorry for the (partially) off topic, but you really triggered this...
The DSM decided that since May 2015 (If I remember well) Asperger...does not exist. In the sense that there is only one category for the all Austims Spectrum Disorders, no subcategories anymore. Or probably there are still distinctions between high functioning and low functioning autism. Doesn't matter, it's not the point. The point is: Asperger does not exists.
Now.
Since I study philosophy and I can't keep from focusing on ambiguities, I had fun reflecting on the following puzzle.

(1) I am Asperger [uttered after a diagnose < 2015]
(2) No one stop being Asperger [in the sense, you can't ''heal'' from AS]
(3) Asperger does not exists [DSM 2015]
(4) I cannot be Asperger
(5) But (1) is true at the moment of utterance
(5) For (2), (1) should be true at any time until I exist.
(6) Therefore, (1) is true contradiction! (4)&(6) are mutually incompatible!

okay...I am (over)tired and I still have work to do...

...

Have fun if you like this kind of puzzles!

are you serious?? I can't really call myself "high functioning autistic" and I'm certainly not normal..... guess I'm back to just being weird.

I personally have been weird all my life.
Saying that Asperger's doesn't exist is just a matter of semantics. Something is going on that the medical profession will put some kind of label on.
I also don't like the HFA label, but then again too, I don't like any kind of label.

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30 Oct 2015, 2:07 pm

glebel wrote:

Saying that Asperger's doesn't exist is just a matter of semantics. Something is going on that the medical profession will put some kind of label on.

This. Even if the medical community were to unilaterally decide tomorrow that there "is no such thing as AS" (or HF ASD or what-have-you), that won't make us all magically socially able, non-sensory, not have visual and/or auditory processing issues, etc. So...? Taking away "the name" isn't making anything go away. So I don't see the merit in simply saying "AS doesn't exist." Okay, so AS doesn't exist, now what...? We still have to address our attenuate issues, nothing's going away by using semantics. We won't all of a sudden all go, "Oh, what a relief! This doesn't exist. I can stop shorting out and being unable to cope in loud situations now."

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30 Oct 2015, 2:12 pm

They say that about ADHD too.

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30 Oct 2015, 5:24 pm

The late Sixties was long before aspergers was recognized as diagnosis in the USA.

The shrink my parents sent me to back in the late Sixties said "I think environment is everything", and might well have expressed the same opinion as the shrink in the OP that aspergers doesnt exist- and that its all neurosis caused by bad parenting that can be cured by talk therapy.

I made more progress with another shrink I went to later. So I dont put much stock in the opinion of that first one.

Oh, and BTW, that first shrink I went to...twenty years after I stopped seeing him... we read about him in the newspaper. He, and his wife were found murdered in their home.

The grown daughter was quoted as saying "I am sure my brother did it. My brother has a history of mental illness". And it turned out that it was the son who did it.

If "environment is everything" then that shrink must have provided one helluva environment for his son!

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30 Oct 2015, 8:19 pm

Well, if you think about it, does anything really ever exist? I mean, there are so many things in this universe, so how can they all be real? Oh, wait, you said he's a psychiatrist, not a philosopher...

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30 Oct 2015, 8:25 pm

^ The existence of Aspergers is as real as the existence of solipsism.

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30 Oct 2015, 8:42 pm

Yes and the moon doesn't exist either. :roll:

yes I know this thread was necroed but I have always wanted to use the eye roll face kthx

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31 Oct 2015, 12:11 pm

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My opinion: these doctors are annoyed because they figured they could stop learning after med school was done, so further, newer information really just pizzes them off.

In general, medical doctors don't view psychiatric highly, they don't consider it as a real science.

and they are right, psychiatry is too trial/error thing and it's still too based on behavior listing which is prone to subjectivity and social constructivism.

Read this paper: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf

It is so possible to say that AS is a social construct thing, however this cannot be said for Down Syndrome or William's Syndrome, because these two conditions really exist due to specific mutations in the DNA.

AS' DNA makeup is still unknown - it doesn't have any clear genetic definition.

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31 Oct 2015, 12:12 pm

Norny wrote:

Yes and the moon doesn't exist either. :roll:

yes I know this thread was necroed but I have always wanted to use the eye roll face kthx

Moon exists, you can see it, you can send a shuttle to it and touch it.

This analogy makes no sense.

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31 Oct 2015, 3:22 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Norny wrote:

Yes and the moon doesn't exist either. :roll:

yes I know this thread was necroed but I have always wanted to use the eye roll face kthx

Moon exists, you can see it, you can send a shuttle to it and touch it.

This analogy makes no sense.

it doesnt have to because neither does this thread

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31 Oct 2015, 4:08 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Norny wrote:

Yes and the moon doesn't exist either. :roll:

yes I know this thread was necroed but I have always wanted to use the eye roll face kthx

Moon exists, you can see it, you can send a shuttle to it and touch it.

This analogy makes no sense.

Well, you can see and send shuttles to and touch AS/ASD people too. :lol:

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01 Nov 2015, 1:19 am

Yep, I agree, Asperger's doesn't eggsist, only Eggsperger's eggsists.

OMG, I am so brilliant, I just found new way to use egg.

I will formulate my own syndrome called Eggsperger's Syndrome.

Lemme think over its diagnostic criteria in my dreams tonite.

I predict that Eggsperger's Syndrome will become much more popular than Asperger's Syndrome, because Eggspergers doesn't sound like @$$burgers.

Instead, it invokes wonderful associations with sausage egg mcmuffins, which I can get from mcdonalds right now if I wanted to, yum yum yum, but I prefer the kind with the hardboiled eggs wrapped in cylindrical sausage in burrito.

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01 Nov 2015, 2:53 am

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LOL

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01 Nov 2015, 4:17 am

why was this obvious bait thread bumped twice?

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01 Nov 2015, 4:27 am

Because we haven't seen the final end yet?

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01 Nov 2015, 10:06 am

NowhereWoman wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Norny wrote:

Yes and the moon doesn't exist either. :roll:

yes I know this thread was necroed but I have always wanted to use the eye roll face kthx

Moon exists, you can see it, you can send a shuttle to it and touch it.

This analogy makes no sense.

Well, you can see and send shuttles to and touch AS/ASD people too. :lol:

Doesnt matter how many aspies you can touch, you cant touch aspergers syndrome itself. You can see the moon right there in the night sky even without riding the space shuttle.

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